UFC 235: Jones vs Smith Results and Discussion [Post Fight] (1 Viewer)

Qball1974

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You said if it wasn’t for the strong undercard his numbers would be much lower. He’s got 3/5 top buys. I’m asking if it was a strong undercard for all of them
I'm saying they would be lower then what they posted FOR THAT CARD,

doesn't matter because I can't prove it, just my suspicion.

Give him Woodley's undercards and see how well his numbers are.
 

SandyWH

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You said if it wasn’t for the strong undercard his numbers would be much lower. He’s got 3/5 top buys. I’m asking if it was a strong undercard for all of them
I'd say the cards were fairly stacked. UFC 232 was the weakest total undercard, but had Cyborg v Nunes, which could have carried a PPV by themselves.

UFC 214 (2 title fights, 5 current or former champs)
Jon Jones vs. Daniel Cormier (c) No Contest (overturned)
Tyron Woodley (c) def. Demian Maia Decision (unanimous)
Cris Cyborg def. Tonya Evinger TKO (knees)
Robbie Lawler def. Donald Cerrone Decision (unanimous)
Volkan Oezdemir def. Jimi Manuwa KO (punches)

UFC 232 (2 title fights, 3 current or former champs)
Jon Jones def. Alexander Gustafsson TKO (punches)
Amanda Nunes def. Cris Cyborg (c) KO
Michael Chiesa def. Carlos Condit Submission (kimura)
Corey Anderson def. Ilir Latifi Decision (unanimous)
Alexander Volkanovski def. Chad Mendes TKO (punches)

UFC 235 (2 title fights, 5 current or former champs)
Jon Jones (c) def. Anthony Smith Decision (unanimous)
Kamaru Usman def. Tyron Woodley (c) Decision (unanimous)
Ben Askren def. Robbie Lawler Technical Submission (bulldog choke)
Weili Zhang def. Tecia Torres Decision (unanimous)
Pedro Munhoz def. Cody Garbrandt KO (punches)
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Give him Woodley's undercards and see how well his numbers are.
UFC 228
Tyron Woodley (c) def. Darren Till Submission (D'Arce choke)
Jéssica Andrade def. Karolina Kowalkiewicz KO (punch)
Zabit Magomedsharipov def. Brandon Davis Submission (kneebar)
Jimmie Rivera def. John Dodson Decision (unanimous)
Abdul Razak Alhassan def. Niko Price KO (punch)

UFC 209
Tyron Woodley (c) def. Stephen Thompson Decision (majority)
David Teymur def. Lando Vannata Decision (unanimous)
Dan Kelly def. Rashad Evans Decision (split)
Cynthia Calvillo def. Amanda Cooper Submission (rear-naked choke)
Alistair Overeem def. Mark Hunt KO (knees)

UFC 201
Tyron Woodley def. Robbie Lawler (c) KO (punches)
Karolina Kowalkiewicz def. Rose Namajunas Decision (split)
Jake Ellenberger def. Matt Brown TKO (body kick and punches)
Érik Pérez def. Francisco Rivera Decision (unanimous)
Ryan Benoit def. Fredy Serrano Decision (split)
 

chrisc

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Except Jones has always pulled numbers. Jones/DC, Jones/Evans, Jones/Chael etc didn't have great undercards.
 

chrisc

Ninja
Jones/DC 1 sold itself didn't need an undercard

the other two you cherry picked we're pretty solid undercards.
I didn’t cherry pick, I went by his top PPV’s.
[DOUBLEPOST=1552072214,1552072182][/DOUBLEPOST]Of the five most success PPV’d since 2017, let’s look at the top 2 fights and fighters involved

UFC 224: 3/4 non white

UFC 214: 4/4 non white

UFC 235: 3/4 non white

UFC 232: 3/4 non white

I found this interesting given the stance that the UFC fan base is racist
 

chrisc

Ninja
Anyways, if Jones headlined the Woodley cards and Tyron got Jon's cards (listed by Sandy),

their PPV draw numbers would be closer together IMO.
Based off what? Jones prior PPV draws being good without good undercard?

Basically you just don’t like the guy and it effects your opinion. Got it
 

Qball1974

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Based off what? Jones prior PPV draws being good without good undercard?

Basically you just don’t like the guy and it effects your opinion. Got it
The weakest cards you could come up with had good undercards, WTF are you talking about?

Basically your just in love with him and it effects you opinion. Got it
 
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Anchorpunch

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Jones, who like Woodley has never heard the word combination, is nontheless an infinitely better striker, better PPV draw, and better shit talker. Can't think of one thing in MMA that Woodley does better.
 

Anchorpunch

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Pass drug tests
Come again? Jones now passes drug tests even when he fails. That's like a PhD in passing drug tests for fucks sake.
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1. Conduct himself as a professional
2. Doesn't use PEDS
3. Doesn't use dirty techniques or illegal shots

Gee I named 3 off the top of my head.
I'm under the impression that those three have nothing to do with MMA success
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LOL, those are true, not sure that's what Biter was looking for.
Biter, Farty, and Nebraska. I'm not sure which is a worse nickname.
 

chrisc

Ninja
A few takeaways for me...

1) he was really questioning which way the thumbs up was pointing lol
2) he mentioned how he could hear the broadcast team. I’m not sure Joe and them yelling “He’s out! He’s out!” Is the best thing for a ref to hear.

I can see where he’s coming from though, I just still think it was the wrong decision. I dunno a lot about grappling, especially compared to someone like @Palma but I’m pretty sure there’s not a choke that would make only your arm go limp.
 

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