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Scared to watch?fake news
Scared to watch?fake news
ya, that's it. LOLScared to watch?
(CNN) — A top Georgia election official said Monday that "everybody's vote did count" in the state's November elections as he shot down a list of voter fraud conspiracy theories President Donald Trump aired in a call with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger this weekend.
"The reason I'm having to stand here today is because there are people in positions of authority and respect who have said their votes didn't count, and it's not true," said Gabriel Sterling, the voting systems implementation manager for the Georgia Secretary of State's office, during a news conference.
In audio first reported by The Washington Post and obtained by CNN, Trump is heard pressuring Raffensperger, who is also a Republican, to "find" votes to overturn the election in Georgia, which he lost to President-elect Joe Biden. Raffensperger rebuffed Trump's demand.
In excerpts of the stunning one-hour phone call Saturday, Trump lambasted his fellow Republican for refusing to falsely say that he won the election in Georgia and repeatedly touted baseless claims of election fraud.
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"The people of Georgia are angry, the people of the country are angry. And there's nothing wrong with saying that, you know, um, that you've recalculated," Trump said in one part of the call. Raffensperger responded, "Well, Mr. President, the challenge that you have is, the data you have is wrong."
In another part, Trump said: "So look, all I want to do is this, I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. Because we won the state."
Sterling said Monday that the President's voter fraud claims are "all easily, provably false" as he ran through some of the conspiracy theories that Trump floated on his call with Raffensperger.
Addressing Trump's claim that ballots had been shredded, Sterling said flatly: "There is no shredding of ballots going on. That's not real. It's not happening."
Turning to Trump's questions out Dominion voting machines being nefariously removed, Sterling asserted: "No one is changing parts or pieces out of Dominion voting machines. I don't even know what that means."
"It's not a real thing. That's not happening," he said.
As he sought to emphasize the unfounded nature of Trump's claims, Sterling lamented the way the President's message could still undermine Georgia residents' faith in the state's election system ahead of Tuesday's critical US Senate runoffs.
If either of the incumbent Republicans -- Sens. Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue -- holds on to their seat, the party will maintain its majority control in the chamber.
If Democratic challengers Jon Ossoff and the Rev. Raphael Warnock both prevail, however, Democrats would gain control of the Senate thanks to Vice President-elect Kamala Harris' tie-breaking vote.
"If you're a Georgia voter, if you want your values reflected by your election officials, I strongly beg and encourage you, go vote tomorrow. Do not let anybody discourage you. Do not self-suppress your own vote. Do not make a self-fulfilling prophecy out of doing this. Don't let anybody steal your vote that way," Sterling said.
"And that's what's happening. If you self-suppress, you are taking away your important voice from this election."
Georgia recertified its presidential election results in December following three counts of ballots that yielded no evidence of the widespread voter fraud Trump and his allies have claimed.
Despite this, the President has launched an extraordinary effort to change the results of the race in Georgia and other key battleground states that Biden won. The futile bid has garnered support from a number of congressional Republicans, who plan to challenge electoral votes when Congress is expected to certify Biden's victory on Wednesday.
None of the challenges, though, will change the fact that Biden will be the next president of the United States, and multiple courts have thrown out challenges to the election.
"At the end of the day, we want to make sure people understand their votes count," Sterling said Monday. "Every person, every voice matters."
This story has been updated with more from the news conference.
I wish people like them got more of a voice. If this is the same person I heard on the original clip, I hate that they didn't have the evidence to shut Trump up on hand (but completely understand why).Georgia election official shoots down Trump's election conspiracy theories
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Georgia election official shoots down Trump's election conspiracy theories
A top Georgia election official said Monday that "everybody's vote did count" in the state's November elections as he shot down a list of voter fraud conspiracy theories President Donald Trump aired in a call with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger this weekend.www.cnn.com
Trump's not the issue. One man shouting crazy only goes so far. But add in the appearance of credible claims on the election that more politicians can hold on to, and you're fucked.I mean, what evidence do you think is going to shut up Trump? Trump isn't delusional. He's not unaware he lost, he knows he lost. He's looking to circumvent the loss and the strategy from the inner circles is also not stupid, it's not crazy, it's not nonsensical. The approach, since his inauguration, is to seize on populist sentiment and undermine institutions of trust like public service, like the military, like journalism. This is an extension of the administration's war on Facts.
They're actively undermining institutions the same way Trump undermines legality while operating his businesses. He's enabled because of a political maneuvering. This the group that took a sharpie to a weather map to "show" the nation that a hurricane not forecast to hit Alabama was forecast to hit Alabama.
There's no objective truth or rational argument that will dissuade Trump and his allies. Not because they're stupid. Not because they're insane. But because this is their strategy.
If our system is so weak that it can't withstand the claims of one man in isolation, the problem is the system. What we have is a mix of that and a real problem with broad misinformation coming into congress. I've been following the claims and, some of them, if you don't really dig into them, look credible. That's keeping the ship afloat.No, that is the issue. Because one man screaming is affecting what is being considered "credible".
He's also funding the end of democracy, so really it's a bargain.I heard a guy bragging the other day about how he donated over 1k to the fund. I said that's awful nice of you to help pay down his tax debt, cuz that's all you're doing.
That's a great deal in Russia economyHe's also funding the end of democracy, so really it's a bargain.
Or how gun makers profit from mass shootings. But I don't think it's just fund raising so much as.. this is the Trump strategy. Listen to Cruz's first sentence here speaking on Fox:
This whole thread boils down to fundraising. Nothing more. It is no different than the way Republicans got rich off of patriotic sentiment in the wake of 9/11.
Attention from who?The Data Integrity Group is getting more attention:
For one, the Georgia state congress who helped with FOI requests. And now more conservative speakers. I wouldn't laugh it off. End of the day: There is now documentation of vote switching that isn't well auditable and is being claimed as fraud while silence sits on the other side. This isn't going away.Attention from who?
Bro, get out of the rabbit hole. That bitch is a producer for Hannity’s radio show.For one, the Georgia state congress who helped with FOI requests. And now more conservative speakers. I wouldn't laugh it off. End of the day: There is now documentation of vote switching that isn't well auditable and is being claimed as fraud while silence sits on the other side. This isn't going away.
No. The switches reported were due to adjudication so they include paper ballots. Their point, as discussed by @Goremire as well, is that a) those occurred at weirdly high rates, b) the original is not kept in the event of the adjudication (at least claimed to be so in Georgia).Weird that paper ballots switched too and that multiple recounts didn't catch it.
Yeah this is the critical point - this Data Integrity Group can allege fraud for the vote switches and there's no way to prove them wrong. Now, there's no way for them to prove fraud actually happened either - but that's not their goal. Their goal is to cast doubt in a way that looks scientifically robust. They also have the initiative here - they're getting their version of what the data says out there and starting to build momentum and nobody is saying that they're wrong.No. The switches reported were due to adjudication so they include paper ballots. Their point, as discussed by @Goremire as well, is that a) those occurred at weirdly high rates, b) the original is not kept in the event of the adjudication (at least claimed to be so in Georgia).
I’m guessing the same thing must have happened in the run-offs?Yeah this is the critical point - this Data Integrity Group can allege fraud for the vote switches and there's no way to prove them wrong. Now, there's no way for them to prove fraud actually happened either - but that's not their goal. Their goal is to cast doubt in a way that looks scientifically robust. They also have the initiative here - they're getting their version of what the data says out there and starting to build momentum and nobody is saying that they're wrong.
Oh, totally. Must have been the same four observers (two Dem and two presumably turncoat Republican) switching all the runoff votes too.I’m guessing the same thing must have happened in the run-offs?