The Rigged Election

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I don't want to clutter the Election 2020 thread with conspiracies but I find these stories fascinating and wanted a place to discuss them.

The most recent claim that I know of:



Trump's latest Tweet:


Is anyone else following these? I love the ones that use tricks rather than just make up data, like the video I posted about election count data.

I truly believe understanding misinformation and navigating it is our greatest challenge as a society, perhaps even over the climate. And I don't get it at all.
 

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This is fucking horrifying.
Absolutely. Watching a leader use the office to promote conspiracy theories about the election was nothing short of horrifying. He's a dangerous person and I really, really hope he doesn't run in 2024.
 

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I started to take my ID out when I arrived just out of habit for identifying myself. Felt like an ass.
 

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The above just aired on Hannity too.
 

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Who is there to supervise the counting of votes?
The people there, and the video watching them.

There's no way those counting votes don't know they're being filmed.

There could be any number of reasons why ballots are kept under a table.

Also, do we know for sure, based on the video, that what they pulled out from under the table were, in fact, ballots?

That video seems to create more unnecessary questions than anything else.
 

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Who is there to supervise the counting of votes?
The people there, and the video watching them.

There's no way those counting votes don't know they're being filmed.

There could be any number of reasons why ballots are kept under a table.

Also, do we know for sure, based on the video, that what they pulled out from under the table were, in fact, ballots?

That video seems to create more unnecessary questions than anything else.
The real problem is even if there's nothing to the immediate issue, they counted without the pole watchers and that's a legal requirement. A court could potentially call that a violation.

This might end up having legs, which I never expected when making this thread.
 

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...esnt-appear-be-evidence-fraud/?outputType=amp (open in a private tab)

Also, poll watchers or observers, are not required by law in GA. There are laws governing their presence IF they are there, but they don't need to be there.

The real problem is even if there's nothing to the immediate issue, they counted without the pole watchers and that's a legal requirement. A court could potentially call that a violation.

This might end up having legs, which I never expected when making this thread.
 

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Obvious gouging is obvious.
It highlights why evangelicals are so eager to support Trump. They love financially supporting their demagogues. Some people will pay any price to have someone in a suit tell them "you're okay, in fact, you're right about everything!".
 

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If the election was indeed rigged, I would actually care, if it were not for the '00 and '04 elections. It's the same shit happening again. Issues with recounts. Issues with mail-in ballots. Issues with potential voter fraud. The governments (State and Federal,) have had 6-10 years to fix the issues, that are clearly going to continue every 2-4 years. They'd rather just blame the other political party when their party loses, instead of working together to fix it. Seriously, if it's proven that this election was messed with, they won't make changes ahead of the next one.
 

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I went to the chiropractor today and every television in that place had NewsMax on. Fox might be in trouble.

As I was leaving the owners were having a discussion about vaccines, stating that they would rather get the Covid instead of the vaccine or a flu vaccine because it steralizes women. Nobody was wearing a mask. Georgia is a weird place.
 

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I went to the chiropractor today and every television in that place had NewsMax on. Fox might be in trouble.

As I was leaving the owners were having a discussion about vaccines, stating that they would rather get the Covid instead of the vaccine or a flu vaccine because it steralizes women. Nobody was wearing a mask. Georgia is a weird place.
Yeah Fox is currently failing the purity test. Yet another part of the Conservative machine now bemusedly fending off accusations of being in cahoots with socialists. Its just delightful watching them have their own play book uses against them.
 

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Yeah Fox is currently failing the purity test. Yet another part of the Conservative machine now bemusedly fending off accusations of being in cahoots with socialists. Its just delightful watching them have their own play book uses against them.
Someone here posted a clip from Fox News of an anchor attacking Barr. Is Fox going to jump this shark?
 

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Someone here posted a clip from Fox News of an anchor attacking Barr. Is Fox going to jump this shark?
Hard to say. The Murdochs worship money and influence above all things, so the potential loss of viewers to the further right channels will concern them, but are probably prepared to wait and see if its a temporary phenomenon. I think they'll defintely start catering to both the lunatic and sensible elements of their Conservative audience. Like, "Trump was definitely robbed, but we have more on the orderly transition of power to Biden at 11".

Let's be honest, it's not like they have to worry overly about cognitive dissonance in their viewers.
 

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Hard to say. The Murdochs worship money and influence above all things, so the potential loss of viewers to the further right channels will concern them, but are probably prepared to wait and see if its a temporary phenomenon. I think they'll defintely start catering to both the lunatic and sensible elements of their Conservative audience. Like, "Trump was definitely robbed, but we have more on the orderly transition of power to Biden at 11".

Let's be honest, it's not like they have to worry overly about cognitive dissonance in their viewers.
I hope murdoch sees too much competition for crazy and decides to aim for becoming the conservative gold standard instead. Something trusted not just by people but by institutions. Which is a world that would, somehow, have Hannity as a gold standard as well. Fuck what the news has become. Where things are going, if Fox plants its feet, it'll look like an esteemed publication in two years.

Funny you mention cognitive dissonance. What do you mean about that and fox viewers? I was just having a conversation about it regarding the two beliefs of "Trump won the election" and "Biden is president". If those dissonances come home to roost, we could be looking at violence here.
 

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I hope murdoch sees too much competition for crazy and decides to aim for becoming the conservative gold standard instead. Something trusted not just by people but by institutions. Which is a world that would, somehow, have Hannity as a gold standard as well. Fuck what the news has become. Where things are going, if Fox plants its feet, it'll look like an esteemed publication in two years.

Funny you mention cognitive dissonance. What do you mean about that and fox viewers? I was just having a conversation about it regarding the two beliefs of "Trump won the election" and "Biden is president". If those dissonances come home to roost, we could be looking at violence here.
Yeah I agree if Fox were prepared to cut the loonies loose and be an unashamedly Conservative leaning news source but steered clear of the MAGA cult/Qanon stuff that would actually be a win for the US. Not sure how likely that is.

As for the cognitive dissonance yes it was the Trump wuz robbed! /Biden won let's move on schools of thought. I can see Fox having certain hosts pander to the Trumpers while the rest of the network goes down a more moderate route.

But for the Trumpers themselves? Yeah I don't know how violent it will get but the potential is there.
 

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The above just aired on Hannity too.
who is marked on those ballots trump or biden?
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there is a lot we don't know but we know one thing trump is the only president to lose the popular vote twice
 

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who is marked on those ballots trump or biden?
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there is a lot we don't know but we know one thing trump is the only president to lose the popular vote twice
To be clear, I'm not posting things here because I believe them. That said, I did subsequently state that I thought this one had legs. My thought was NOT that it was actual rigging, rather a technical violation that they worked late after the oversight left. But someone here corrected me that it's not required in GA.
 

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