The Fall of the USA

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I'll keep saying it. Americans want to be extremist. I do not believe Americans were turned or seduced or otherwise coerced into the identity politics you're seeing. This was already there and it was simply branded.

White American males want to live out a gun hero fantasy. They want to be proud to be white American ignoring the fact that they're obese, uninsured, unskilled, and uneducated. That's not the problem to them. People informing them that they're those things are the problem. Browned skinned people are the problem. People speaking Spanish are the problem. Muslims and Atheists are the problem. There's absolutely nothing unique about the American experience for the middle to lower income class American Whites. Nothing. And that's their problem. The mundanity of basic privilege.

This has always been a violent, hateful country. All we need is sufficient economy decay to reveal how little we've progressed.
America always needs an enemy. If there isn't a credible external threat, they begin to look inward.

With the fall of the Soviet Union and the decline of the over-exaggerated threat of Islamic terrorism, this is what happens.
 

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This is legitimately worrying on its surface.
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I believe trump's memo was an order to investigate and litigate everything, no matter how small or unbelievable. I believe that is in an attempt to draw out the process for years, while serving the entire duration.

And I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see this confining into late January.
 
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Uhh, the majority of votes were for Jo, not Joe. Anyone who thinks otherwise or votes for either of these two old men is a sexist prick with some serious gynophobia. 🏋️‍♀️ Go Jo Go jo Go Jo Go Jo Go Jo Go Jo Go Jo Go Jo!!!
 

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From one of Canada's best columnists:

The GOP’s descent into madness puts American democracy at risk

Andrew Coyne

As I write this, it is unclear whether the United States will survive as a democracy. The result of the runoff election for Georgia’s two Senate seats will soon be known, but no one can say with any certainty whether that will decide it. Nor can anyone say with certainty that any future election will decide who actually enters office or holds power.

For the members of one party, the Republicans, have declared in large numbers that they will not accept the result of last November’s presidential election – an election the Democratic candidate won by more than seven million votes overall, or by a margin of 306 to 232 in the Electoral College, results that have withstood multiple recounts and dozens of legal challenges.

And if the Republicans will not accept defeat in that election, what reason is there to suppose they will accept it in any? If they are prepared to claim an election was “stolen” in these circumstances – in the absence, that is, of any credible evidence whatever, or even a coherent theory of the case – what election would they not claim was illegitimate? Starting with the Georgia runoff.

Has the President not himself said that the state’s electoral machinery is rigged, even as he urges Republicans to vote? Have his advisers not alleged that the state’s Republican governor is in the pay of the voting-machine companies, in cahoots with the government of Venezuela and other shadowy malefactors?

And beyond: Haven’t millions of Republican voters been taught to believe the same of the electoral process across the country – if not this particular story, then some less fantastic version of it, on the principle that “where there’s smoke there’s fire”? Haven’t scores of GOP members of Congress vowed to contest the results accordingly?

And so, while democracy in America is likely to prevail in the current contest – Congress will not vote, thanks to the Democratic majority in the House, to overturn the results, nor can the Vice-President simply declare them invalid – its longer-term survival is very much in doubt. A culture has taken hold in one of the two parties that is incompatible with democratic government.

We should be precise in describing that culture. The polarization that is destroying American democracy is not between conservatives and liberals. It is not between populists and elites, or even authoritarians and non-authoritarians. It is between fantasy and reality, or perhaps between insanity and sanity: between those who believe, or pretend to, in the most preposterous fictions – the political equivalent of flat earthers – and those whose belief system is limited to the world as it actually is.

The culture that has consumed the GOP should be distinguished from ordinary political corruption, which at least has the decency to be carried out in secret. Neither does it quite fit the definition of fascism, which is admirably pragmatic in its use of terror to achieve its aims. It is the open advocacy of utter and unmitigated nutjobbery – the stuff of the QAnon cult and other loons – that is the hallmark of the modern Republican Party.

Do they believe, or merely pretend to? It depends who you’re talking about. Many have speculated whether Donald Trump’s inexhaustible torrent of falsehoods are lies, in the sense that he knows they are false, or whether, in the diseased recesses of his mind, he honestly believes them to be true. I think this is a false dichotomy: It’s not just that he has no idea at any given moment whether he is telling the truth or not, it is that he has no sense that truth and falsehood are different categories.

As for the base, the conclusion is as inescapable as it is disquieting: Much of the population (in America, but perhaps elsewhere as well) has only the most tenuous grip on reality. They can be persuaded of literally anything, such is their adulation of Mr. Trump and mistrust of almost everyone else. Whether this is something social media has cultivated – not only spreading fantasies but validating them in the credulous mind, through the discovery of so many fellow believers – or merely revealed, is an open question. But it is an uncomfortable democratic truth.

It is those in between the President and his base, dependent on the former for his blessing and the latter for their votes, that are the most fascinating and revolting case. I speak of Republicans in office: members of the Senate and the House of Representatives, governors and state legislators. Doubtless even some of them have persuaded themselves of the merits of Mr. Trump’s baseless claims. But the vast majority are simply too frightened or cynical or lazy to object. It isn’t necessarily that they want to destroy democracy. It’s that they can’t quite rouse themselves to its defence, believing it can survive even their own sustained assault on it.

Which may prove the gravest fantasy of them all.
 

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Run to your political party you follow and repeat what your news station tells you. You’ll be okay. Life is better when you’re dumb.
 

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Somehow even more since i formed common sense. I absolutely cannot understand how people are dumb enough to be trapped in the Side A vs Side B hamster wheel. Side A hates Side B and vice versa, yet if you look at behavioral parallels they have a lot in common. Free and organic thought costs nothing yet there’s not many takers anymore. I guess pledging allegiance is some sort of a comfort blanket and you can have others think for you, provide you with talking points n catch phrases, and feel like you “belong”.
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Do you believe the election was rigged and Trump actually won?
^Perfect example - if one disagrees, you sour and ignorantly assume I’m a Trump or Biden supporter respectively, depending on which political party drone I’m talking to.

...I have no way of knowing for myself if Russia hacked in 2016 and that’s why Trump won or if ballot fraud resulted in Biden winning this year.
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But yeah, it’s funny yet frustrating when someone says something addressing both jackass masses of the left and right, and immediately said jackasses from the left and right rush to assumptions your of “their enemy” party.
 
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Oh yeah, i forgot if it’s not a hashtag or three word catch phrase (optional abbreviation available) no on can understand anymore
 

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Oh yeah, i forgot if it’s not a hashtag or three word catch phrase (optional abbreviation available) no on can understand anymore
Do you even realize you're not saying anything? Pretending you're so woke and above forming an opinion or picking a side or saying "this is wrong" does not give you the moral high ground or make you an intellectual or anything. In fact, your opinion is significantly less valid because it does nothing for anyone. So keep on your cryptic bullshit and keep patting yourself on the back for thinking that protesting police violence is the same as instilling a fascist authoritarian regime. You're impressing as many people as you're enlightening.
 

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Having recently packed up everything I and my wife own, sold our house and about a fourth of our belongings, and moved from my home state in the pacific northwest to live in a home we recently purchased near a small rural town in a midwestern state that is sparsely populated, just to escape the severe negative impact that liberal, socialist, anarchist, and progressive democrat policies and politicians have had on my former home's state, I can tell you personally for me that it was sure as hell worth it.

We both watched a once beautiful, safe, and prosperous state turn into a dangerous, unsafe, lawless, disgusting, filthy shit hole. And while there were huge groups of members on various social media pages constantly whining and complaining, hardly anyone seemed willing to organize and try to somehow put a stop to any it. Those few (like me) that that did were doxxed, outed publicly, harassed, threatened, lied about and slandered, confronted by groups wearing masks, and some even had their homes, businesses, and/or vehicles vandalized.

So I talked it over with my wife, I stepped back from any involvement in local politics, and we immediately began to plan our exit strategy. We sold our home of 30 years at a slight loss, yet still had enough profit to afford to buy our new home free and clear of any debt, and go through the painful difficult and very expensive task of relocating half way across the country. My wife quit a very lucrative job of 15 years to take a slight cut in pay to start a similar job for an employer here that was very happy to have her. And even though 2 months ago we both caught COVID and survived it successfully, we both agree 100% we would do it again. With zero regrets. Why? Because being safe, happy, prosperous, and respected is truly priceless and absolutely worth the struggles it took.

We had to endure riots constantly, people being mugged and robbed on a daily basis, vehicles being stolen or vandalized, homes burglarized, and businesses vandalized and then closed. Feral drug addicts were roaming freely, crapping everywhere in public, begging and stealing, and living in huge camps or in large groups of broken down old derelict RVs everywhere while dumping raw sewage on to the ground and into lakes, rivers and streams, and discarding dirty syringes everywhere. Packages and mail were being stolen constantly. Transient sex offenders and illegal immigrants were everywhere. The homicide and crime rates were climbing at an alarming amount. People that prior to all this didn't ever own any firearms immediately purchased them , took classes, and obtained concealed carry permits. Cameras, alarm systems, security lights, and motion detectors were being installed on every home, windows were being barred, and fences were being erected in nearly every yard. And people stopped going out in public for any reason after dark.

The downtown businesses were being boarded up and abandoned to all of the so called "homeless" and the rioters. Taxes were (and still are) being raised to unbelievable levels, while hard working law abiding citizens were being forced to stay home, wear masks, and practice social distancing, and nearly all small businesses were forced to close by the hundreds of thousands, causing a severe economic hardship on the entire state. And yet somehow the same politicians and public officials that were responsible for all this kept somehow getting re-elected. And it has continued to get much worse since we left, with no solution to it or end of it all in sight.

We now for nearly six months are living debt free, peacefully and content, in a much more conservative state, where each citizen's constitutional rights are respected, vagrancy and public drug use is not tolerated, laws are more strict while firearm laws and rights are way more favorable, and the cost of living is roughly 60% less than the state where we just moved from. And we are not alone. Lots of people are migrating here from some of the states on both coasts for much the same reasons. Hell...even my two dogs are happier here.

If what we experienced back there in the pacific northwest was "progress" or "good for this country"- you can keep it. As for Trump - I never liked the guy or trusted him. But then I equally dislike and distrust all politicians. I'm just an old wounded veteran that truly loves his country - but doesn't have much use or need for my government. In fact - the more my government stays out of my business - the happier I am.
 

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All of those deaths, injuries, arrests, and destruction were so pointless. There is not going to be any "revolution", and certainly isn't going to be any "civil war". When this is all over and Biden and Harris are sworn in, the country will eventually go back to more of the same bickering on social media, and complaining about our government.

I would like to think that this pandemic and the last 4 years has somehow made us all better and wiser, but I honestly don't have much faith in that. I guess we will all just have to wait and see.
 

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Matt Gaetz makes a speech about how facial recognition has totally shown that it was actually Antifa in the Capitol you guys, no really, I totes know a military guy who said so.
The company who makes the facial recognition tech contradicts him and say they actually found Q and Neo Nazis because of course they did:


If drug use was doing so much damage to the fabric of American society in the 80's that it necessitated The War On Drugs, maybe its time for a War On Unreality?

People who are too fucking pussifed to live in the real world in all its complex, ugly glory so they invent their own, or who deliberately spread misinformation that they damn well know is not true for profit or power need to be put the fuck in prison.

I'm dead serious. We punish people for possession of narcotics because these substances are prohibited and people using these substances have a higher tendency towards criminal and anti social activity. We know this because these drugs alter the users brain chemistry.

Tell me, what the fuck is the difference here? I get it that Facebook isn't a pill or powder but damn, to some parts of the population its digital crack and every bit as dangerous.

When someone gets high as fuck and does some dumb shit lawmakers have a solution. But when the fix is feeling like you're a special member of a secret club and you bring pipe bombs and Mollies to Capitol Hill all of a sudden they're just a 'protestor'? No, they're not, they're seratonin junkies who willfully indulged in digesting content that is widely known to be dangerous and untrue and went on a seditious rampage.

If these assholes were popping a pill or smoking something to make them think that a fucking coup d'etat was a fucking good idea we'd be arresting every single one of them and hunting the dealers.

But we don't do this, because our laws haven't kept up with our tech. Nor the ability of that tech to promote propaganda to vulnerable people. The terrorists involved are indoctrinated addicts and the politicians at the top are dealing to them. Along with assorted other bottom feeders in the middle who get off on the power trip that comes along with controlling the behaviour of others, who might also be junkies in their own right.

Misinformation and conspiracy theories did more damage and killed more people in 2020 than fucking weed ever did. Q supporters were in the thick of the anti mask/plandemic movements and their willful ignoring of what reality is and how it works killed people and ground the world's economies to a halt and these asshole are prolonging it!

Our existing laws don't work because governments the world over don't recognise the threat yet, and because containing this shit stomps all over free speech. But we have to bite the bullet and accept that this conspiracy shit is no longer harmless, has been weaponised by people with bad intentions and will make our collective society worse off.

Also don't ask me for a solution I'm not that smart.
 

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Do you even realize you're not saying anything? Pretending you're so woke and above forming an opinion or picking a side or saying "this is wrong" does not give you the moral high ground or make you an intellectual or anything. In fact, your opinion is significantly less valid because it does nothing for anyone. So keep on your cryptic bullshit and keep patting yourself on the back for thinking that protesting police violence is the same as instilling a fascist authoritarian regime. You're impressing as many people as you're enlightening.
Go through a history of his posts. This guy seriously thinks he's profound and that he is some how superior in critical thinking than the "sheep" he continually references.
Eh, ya get it or ya don’t perhaps. Doesn’t really matter anyway
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I didn't know Jo Jo Potato was even running.
Damn, did someone take a purposefully dumb joke as believing “the wrong Joe/Jo won” hahha awesome
 
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