The Fall of the USA

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I was going to start a thread on American cults (MAGA, QAnon, etc.), but I guess this is the place for that.

(CNN) — For three years, QAnon spread from the dark edges of the internet to mainstream social networks, and the social networks did little to stop it happening. Now Facebook and Twitter are trying to crack down — but it may be too late. What was once a fringe conspiracy theory has now been openly endorsed by some congressional candidates with a real shot of winning, and complimented by the President of the United States.

The rise of this new generation of aspiring politicians — who associate with baseless claims that other politicians, A-list celebrities, and a "deep state" of bureaucrats promote child sex abuse — poses a significant new challenge for social media companies that have vowed to limit harmful content. And it illustrates what can happen when online platforms are too slow to realize they allow or are even amplifying fringe views: Those beliefs can quickly go mainstream.

On Wednesday, the same day that Facebook announced action against thousands of accounts and groups linked to QAnon and its discredited claims, President Donald Trump openly praised its followers for supporting him, calling them "people that love our country," though he claimed not to know much about the movement.

And in perhaps the ultimate indictment of how online platforms failed to stop QAnon from gaining traction sooner, the baseless claims on which QAnon thrives have already been embraced or sympathized with by at least sixRepublican congressional candidates in districts ranging from Georgia to California.

The problem goes beyond QAnon. Laura Loomer, a far-right activist who has called herself a "proud Islamophobe" and has been banned by numerous online platforms, won a primary on Tuesday and became the Republican party's nominee in a Florida congressional race.

Now, the tech companies find themselves in an even more difficult position: Having to reconcile their commitments to limit the spread of harmful content without appearing to censor the politicians who are directly involved in driving those messages to an ever-wider audience.

"Once the conspiracy theorists become the elected officials, you either need to say 'Forget it, we're never touching anything, let the conspiracy theories reign,' or they need to go in the other direction and say, 'We need to no longer give elected officials an exemption anymore,'" said Dave Karpf, a political scientist at George Washington University who has studied digital political movements.

Facebook (FB) and Twitter (TWTR) declined to comment in response to questions about that challenge.

For years the companies had skirted the issue of Trump's long history of false and incendiary statements, but this spring Twitter took the unprecedented step of notifying users that some of his claims may be misleading or violate the platform's policies.

And even as Twitter has cracked down on baseless allegations surrounding mail-in voting from Trump and others, for example, the company has left some of Trump's claims on the subject untouched.

Trump has largely benefited from loopholes in social media policies meant for public figures. Under those policies, material that might have earned other users a suspension gets a pass because the content is deemed inherently newsworthy or in the public interest.

This new crop of political figures could test the limits of those policies. Marjorie Taylor Greene, a GOP congressional nominee in a solidly Republican district, has expressed support for the QAnon conspiracy theory and has said, falsely, that there is "an Islamic invasion into our government offices." Mike Cargile, a Republican congressional candidate in California, has displayed a QAnon-affiliated hashtag on his Twitter bio. Cargile has said that the hashtag, "#WWG1WGA" or "Where we go one, we go all," reflects his belief that "it is the perfect sentiment for all Americans to have toward one another."

Social media platforms have recently tried to clamp down on the spread of QAnon, but even in their stepped-up efforts, they appear to be giving politicians wide latitude.

In July, Twitter said activity surrounding the movement had "potential to lead to offline harm," and that the service would no longer recommend accounts associated with QAnon. But when Twitter launched its crackdown of QAnon last month, the congressional candidates' accounts remained unaffected — opening up the possibility that active conspiracy theorists could use the reach of political offices to advance more misleading claims.

On Wednesday, Facebook said it, too, will toughen its approach to QAnon. While it stopped short of banning QAnon content entirely under its Dangerous Individuals and Organizations policy, the company said some content affiliated with QAnon will now be restricted, including QAnon posts that advocate for violence or contemplate potential violence.

Politicians like Greene will still be permitted to endorse QAnon under those policies, Facebook spokesman Andy Stone acknowledged.

"We will allow people to post content that supports QAnon, so long as they do not otherwise violate our content policies," Stone told CNN Business. "We will restrict QAnon's ability to organize on our platform through Facebook Groups, Pages and Instagram accounts."

As for Loomer, both Facebook and Twitter told CNN Business she will continue to be prohibited from their platforms due to earlier hateful activity, suggesting that becoming a public official is not enough to overcome a prior ban.

But Loomer's case is also more clear-cut than many of her fellow candidates, precisely because she had already been rejected from those services. What's less clear is how the companies would handle a politician who behaved like Loomer prior to her ban.
"Once the conspiracy theorists become the elected officials, you either need to say 'Forget it, we're never touching anything, let the conspiracy theories reign,' or they need to go in the other direction and say, 'We need to no longer give elected officials an exemption anymore,'" said Dave Karpf, a political scientist at George Washington University who has studied digital political movements.
 

Kano

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My opinion on the media.

First, I've converted my sister from the dark side.
Why the sister comment?
While we were discussing politics her husband chimed in with his uninformed opinion.
Pointed at me and said CNN and pointed at my sister and said Fox. (i spell it Faux)
I corrected his error, told him I do not watch CNN.

Now my point.

CNN and Faux are both owned by ultra wealthy.
They are on the same team. There sole purpose is to divide.
Middle class against the poor. How else could the wealthy rob us of $125 billion a day if we were watching them.
Think about this, they have convinced many, a poor homeless Mexican is stealing billions of dollars from us. To me that is laughable.

While they sing and dance all the way to the bank.
 

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My opinion on the media.

First, I've converted my sister from the dark side.
Why the sister comment?
While we were discussing politics her husband chimed in with his uninformed opinion.
Pointed at me and said CNN and pointed at my sister and said Fox. (i spell it Faux)
I corrected his error, told him I do not watch CNN.

Now my point.

CNN and Faux are both owned by ultra wealthy.
They are on the same team. There sole purpose is to divide.
Middle class against the poor. How else could the wealthy rob us of $125 billion a day if we were watching them.
Think about this, they have convinced many, a poor homeless Mexican is stealing billions of dollars from us. To me that is laughable.

While they sing and dance all the way to the bank.

And what makes me sick is people fighting with each other over politicians, parties, and media. Unfortunately, people blindly eat the lies and manipulation while forcefully regurtitating them.
 

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Disease spreading death
Entire population dies
Dead before you're born
Massive suicide
Vicious game of fear
It's all extermination now
Poison in your veins
Global genocide
Slaughter governs law
The apocalypse begins
Pain becomes the norm
Seeking homicide
Beware the coming storm
That starts illuminating fires
God is laughing hard
Man has gone insane
World painted blood
No sanctuary
World painted blood
No sanctuary
Tip the human scale
Follow revelations plan
It must come to pass
Secret shadows lie
Blue print haunting dreams
In which manipulation wins
Speak no hidden fears
Religion neutralized
Emerged from the dark
Sadist mercenary ride
Realm of this world
Godless messengers
Sickless, mindless hate
Becoming evolution's cure
Planets usher in alignment
God has died
World painted blood
No sanctuary
World painted blood
No sanctuary
God send death, watch it bleed, justified
Manufactured lives born in hell
Angels fall, wings on fire, crucified
Terrorizing man, burn the world
Reflecting eyes, sickle swings, wave of blood
Suicidal mind from the start
Endless pain, open wounds, slit the throat
Radiation child seeks the throne
Strafing down demigods certain death
Coming from the stars, lord of all
Dark rift rise, flourish life, perish man
We destroy ourselves, cease to live
Children's blood feed the dead sea of flesh
Catastrophic fall rest in hell
Flaming corpse, screaming eyes, watch it die
Walk among the dead, pick your grave
Like a disease spreading death
Erasing your existence
Satan's hand begins the end
And frees the world forever
Gomorrah's dream to live in sin
Has reached its critical mass
Man himself has become God
And laughs at his destruction
In which we trust a secret government
Is now in total collapse
Disease spreading death
Entire population dies
Dead before you're born
Massive suicide
Vicious game of fear
It's all extermination now
Poison in your veins
Global genocide
Slaughter governs law
The apocalypse begins
Pain becomes the norm
Seeking homicide
Beware the coming storm
That starts illuminating fires
God is laughing hard
Man has gone insane
World painted blood
No sanctuary
World painted blood
No sanctuary
Signs of disease, rivers red, blood in ice, plague
Signs of disease, rivers red, blood in ice, plague
Signs of disease, rivers red, blood
Welcoming our death
 

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