the Cops Do Bad Things thread (2 Viewers)

[Anchorpunch]

Dude did you read any of the thread at all?

You talk about things like "supposed to have a line of sight" but you don't actually say whether or not that's enough for it to be criminal. I'm asking the legal question.

 

[Nebraska]

I think the neighbors are the reason the one was indicted. But if you didn't endanger the public like that officer, I agree with CK that the actual crime is hard to find.

Someone died. That’s a crime, no? Either the boyfriend is responsible for shooting at the officers, or the officers are responsible for shooting back and killing a bystander. You can’t just engage in a gun fight that leads to someone’s death, say “oops” and let everyone go home. Someone is responsible for her death.

Is it true that the warrant required them to announce themselves? Could that create some kind of fault of death on the officers' part?

Who the hell knows at this point. All the reports leading up to today indicated that it was a no-knock warrant, but the AG said this afternoon that officers were instructed to knock and announce their presence. The veracity of the information used to obtain the warrant was not part of the grand jury investigation and is being conducted by “federal law enforcement partners.”

 

[Afro]

The cops claimed they announced themselves, which contradicts a no-knock warrant, Breanna's boyfriend claimed she didn't hear them announce themselves, a neighbor claims they did, not to mention the warrant was for someone who was not a resident of the house and no-knock warrants really only should be used for circumstances where firearms might be in play no? I don't see how resident of drug dealer's ex-girlfriend fits that, all this aside you still can't open fire through a patio window without a clear line of sight.

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[Clark Kent]

From what I understand one cop shot blindly into the apartment, and you are supposed to have a line of sight, but for me I don't understand why the police needed a warrant for her apartment to begin with, or why they didn't answer when Breanna's boyfriend called out. Also Breanna's boyfriend shoots one shot, hits a cop in the thigh, and they lit the place up. They didn't give Breanna Taylor medical attention after they shot her, and they called the ambulance away who was on standby before the raid. Also the warrant was changed from no knock to knock and announce, so the Sheriff's should have identified themselves, but didn't.

Btw, the cops just showed up at my house responding to a NON-EMERGENCY CALL and they brought the entire fucking fleet with them, hands hovering over their guns, not fucking sure why but fuck the police.

no the warrant they issued was a no knock warrant, so they didn’t have to announce anything.

the police got a warrant because they had enough probable cause to believe breonnas ex boyfriend was using her address to send drugs too. They were not looking for him, they were looking for his drugs at her residence.

not giving her medical attention isn’t breaking any law, it just shows that they are garbage humans.

if someone shoots and hits a police officer, return fire is gong to happen. Not saying it was right.

none of that spells out murder.

what information I can’t find is if the officers that served the warrant, were the ones that files for it. That is the information that can make it murder or just a long list of terrible circumstances.

if they were not the officers that filed for the warrant, who ever did should be charged because as the post master said they never worked with the police. That was the information used to get the no knock warrant and that was a lie.

also no knock warrants can be issued for drug houses, because dealers can flush or destroy drugs.

I think no knock warrants are rarely ever needed. Someone kicks in my door I’m firing at them.

 

[Afro]

no the warrant they issued was a no knock warrant, so they didn’t have to announce anything.

the police got a warrant because they had enough probable cause to believe breonnas ex boyfriend was using her address to send drugs too. They were not looking for him, they were looking for his drugs at her residence.

not giving her medical attention isn’t breaking any law, it just shows that they are garbage humans.

if someone shoots and hits a police officer, return fire is gong to happen. Not saying it was right.

none of that spells out murder.

what information I can’t find is if the officers that served the warrant, were the ones that files for it. That is the information that can make it murder or just a long list of terrible circumstances.

if they were not the officers that filed for the warrant, who ever did should be charged because as the post master said they never worked with the police. That was the information used to get the no knock warrant and that was a lie.

also no knock warrants can be issued for drug houses, because dealers can flush or destroy drugs.

I think no knock warrants are rarely ever needed. Someone kicks in my door I’m firing at them.

If the warrant they issued was a no-knock warrant then why did the police claimed they announced? Let's start there.

And whether you agree or disagree on the warrant, the cop still shot without a clear line of fire

 

[Nebraska]

“CE” and “CN” and “ZF” are Chelsey Napper, her boyfriend Cody Etherton, and her son Zayden Flournoy. They were the only victims listed as a result of the grand jury investigation.

All three are white...

 

[Afro]

Former Louisville police Officer Brett Hankison charged with wanton endangerment in Breonna Taylor case

Taylor, a 26-year-old Black woman, was shot and killed during a police raid at her home in Louisville, Kentucky, in March.

www.nbcnews.com

Taylor, 26, an emergency medical technician, was shot and killed in her home on March 13, after police officers with a no-knock warrant broke down her door seeking evidence in a narcotics investigation. The target of the probe did not live at the location.

Walker, her boyfriend, fired a shot at the front door, striking Mattingly in the leg, according to police. Walker, who had a license to carry firearms, said he believed it was a home invasion.

It had been previously reported that Taylor was shot five times during the raid, but Cameron said she was struck six times. An FBI analysis determined the fatal shot was fired by Cosgrove.

Cameron said that his investigation shows that officers knocked and announced themselves as police before entering Taylor's apartment. He said this was corroborated by a civilian witness who was near Taylor’s apartment on the night of the shooting.

Other witnesses have said they did not hear police announce their presence.

“In other words, the warrant was not served as a no-knock warrant," the attorney general said.

He also noted that the three officers “had no known involvement in the preceding investigation or obtainment of the search warrant."

"They were called in to duty as extra personnel," Cameron said at his news conference.

According to the attorney general, when officers were unable to get anyone to answer the door at Taylor's apartment, "the decision was made to open the door."

 

[Nebraska]

what information I can’t find is if the officers that served the warrant, were the ones that files for it. That is the information that can make it murder or just a long list of terrible circumstances.

if they were not the officers that filed for the warrant, who ever did should be charged because as the post master said they never worked with the police. That was the information used to get the no knock warrant and that was a lie.

also no knock warrants can be issued for drug houses, because dealers can flush or destroy drugs.

I think no knock warrants are rarely ever needed. Someone kicks in my door I’m firing at them.

A detective filed for the warrants. From what I’ve read elsewhere, at least one of the officers who executed it on Taylor’s apartment assisted in the investigation that led to the warrants being filed and issued.

 

[Clark Kent]

If the warrant they issued was a no-knock warrant then why did the police claimed they announced? Let's start there.

And whether you agree or disagree on the warrant, the cop still shot without a clear line of fire

that’s why since the beginning Ive had issues With the warrant.

yes the cops blindly fired, but as I said an officer was hit and that changes the circumstances. It would been looked at differently if no officer was hit. They could easily say we had to fire to defend ourselves while we retreated.

as for Nebraska’s question I, guessing that’s why they didn’t charge the boyfriend for shooting the cop, because he legally owned the firearm and was in genuine fear for his life.

as for the second question, I’m going to ignore how many bullets were fired because I don’t believe that many were needed. But when being fired at, they can legally shoot back.

I don’t know the laws in that state in regards to blindly firing. But like I said they could just lie and say they were just returning fire.

ive always been trained and taught you are responsible for your bullet when it leaves that gun. Know what is behind where you are shooting at.

every state is different.

if the feds are truly looking into this then I could easily see all three being charged and their supervisors.

 

[Afro]

that’s why since the beginning Ive had issues With the warrant.

yes the cops blindly fired, but as I said an officer was hit and that changes the circumstances. It would been looked at differently if no officer was hit. They could easily say we had to fire to defend ourselves while we retreated.

as for Nebraska’s question I, guessing that’s why they didn’t charge the boyfriend for shooting the cop, because he legally owned the firearm and was in genuine fear for his life.

as for the second question, I’m going to ignore how many bullets were fired because I don’t believe that many were needed. But when being fired at, they can legally shoot back.

I don’t know the laws in that state in regards to blindly firing. But like I said they could just lie and say they were just returning fire.

ive always been trained and taught you are responsible for your bullet when it leaves that gun. Know what is behind where you are shooting at.

every state is different.

if the feds are truly looking into this then I could easily see all three being charged and their supervisors.

Ok but you're not allowed to blindly fire lol

 

[Clark Kent]

A detective filed for the warrants. From what I’ve read elsewhere, at least one of the officers who executed it on Taylor’s apartment assisted in the investigation that led to the warrants being filed and issued.

Then if that’s true he straight up knew that the warrant was a lie and everything after that warrant he should be held accountable for.

I look at that just like felony murder. I imagine lying to a judge under oath in that state could be a felony, so he committed a crime and as a result someone died. Even if his bullets were not the ones that killed her.

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Ok but you're not allowed to blindly fire lol

Again it happens and when you just look at that part, it still isn’t murder. You just saw your fellow officer hit by a bullet, people are going to be stupid and return fire.

 

[Nebraska]

Let’s also not fail to consider the report that these motherfuckers actually had the audacity draw up a plea deal for the ex-boyfriend that would have implicated Taylor, who by then had already been killed mind you, in the original criminal activity they were investigating.

 

[Afro]

 

[Afro]

Then if that’s true he straight up knew that the warrant was a lie and everything after that warrant he should be held accountable for.

I look at that just like felony murder. I imagine lying to a judge under oath in that state could be a felony, so he committed a crime and as a result someone died. Even if his bullets were not the ones that killed her.

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Again it happens and when you just look at that part, it still isn’t murder. You just saw your fellow officer hit by a bullet, people are going to be stupid and return fire.

I understand this alone is not murder, but how is it not a crime? How is none of this not at the very least manslaughter?

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[Anchorpunch]

Someone died. That’s a crime, no? Either the boyfriend is responsible for shooting at the officers, or the officers are responsible for shooting back and killing a bystander. You can’t just engage in a gun fight that leads to someone’s death, say “oops” and let everyone go home. Someone is responsible for her death.

I'm not sure if her death will be ruled a criminal act. I'm not a lawyer, but 1 in 2000 Americans (and 1 in 1000 blacks) will be killed by a police officer. And most won't be prosecuted for it. I honestly think there's more room for "oops" in our system than either of us like.

 

[Kano]

I'm not sure if her death will be ruled a criminal act.

It was

By me

 

[Ct_L33T]

That is their original function.

 

[Kevo]

 

[Clark Kent]

I understand this alone is not murder, but how is it not a crime? How is none of this not at the very least manslaughter?

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That’s why I kept asking about the warrant. Seeing how one f them helped with the warrant he should be held accountable.

but let’s say everything was on the up and up. They entered shots fired an so on. I think they would all be fired but not charged. Would be hard for a jury to convict. Even with all this shady shit and lies, ive read a lot of things from lawyers saying it would be hard to convict any of them.

if the police and neighbors are to be believed the boyfriend should have been arrested and charged. Seeing the police knocked and identified themselves.
BUT why would you knock with a no knock warrant.

ive seen enough stuff to believe the ex was sending drugs to her place. But they didn’t need to lie, could have done their jobs and got a legit warrant based of legit evidence. Somewhere along the way someone wanted to cut corners and this all happened.

and in no way am I saying she deserved any of this, she didn’t. Even if she was a drug dealer (which no evidence supports) she didn’t deserve to die.

as tragic as this entire thing is, this could help change things for the better. Will it, probably not.

 

[FrankieButNotEdgar]

Someone died. That’s a crime, no? Either the boyfriend is responsible for shooting at the officers, or the officers are responsible for shooting back and killing a bystander. You can’t just engage in a gun fight that leads to someone’s death, say “oops” and let everyone go home. Someone is responsible for her death.

Exactly. If someone comes in my store and tries to rob me, I have a right to defend myself. BUT....if I fire back and a bullet goes through my front door and kills someone on the side walk out front, them I'm getting a negligent homicide charge at the very least. Your right to defend yourself doesn't mean you can just spray bullets with reckless abandon and that should be doubly true for law enforcement.

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If the warrant they issued was a no-knock warrant then why did the police claimed they announced?

Even with a no knock warrant, you're supposed to announce yourself coming through the door. In NC, the difference is with a standard warrant, you knock on the door and announce yourself. With a no knock, you announce as you're coming through the door but you still have to announce yourself as law enforcement. You can't just kick the door in and start firing at people.

 

[Kano]

Police should stop murdering people.

 

[Afro]

Exactly. If someone comes in my store and tries to rob me, I have a right to defend myself. BUT....if I fire back and a bullet goes through my front door and kills someone on the side walk out front, them I'm getting a negligent homicide charge at the very least. Your right to defend yourself doesn't mean you can just spray bullets with reckless abandon and that should be doubly true for law enforcement.

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Even with a no knock warrant, you're supposed to announce yourself coming through the door. In NC, the difference is with a standard warrant, you knock on the door and announce yourself. With a no knock, you announce as you're coming through the door but you still have to announce yourself as law enforcement. You can't just kick the door in and start firing at people.

Cameron said that his investigation shows that officers knocked and announced themselves as police before entering Taylor's apartment. He said this was corroborated by a civilian witness who was near Taylor’s apartment on the night of the shooting.

The AP article claims that they knocked and announced before kicking the door in, then they got a neighbor to verify this, but other neighbors claim they didn't hear an announcement at all.

 

[Ct_L33T]

A cop murdered a woman and was only charged for the shots he missed. The sad reality is, nobody on this forum thought the result would be anything different.

 

[FrankieButNotEdgar]

The AP article claims that they knocked and announced before kicking the door in, then they got a neighbor to verify this, but other neighbors claim they didn't hear an announcement at all.

It's a clusterfuck for sure and the charges (lack thereof) is also complete and total horseshit.

 

[Anchorpunch]

Police should stop murdering people.

1 in 2000. How is that not a number that worries americans? Hell, the police might be more deadly than covid.

 

[Afro]

It's a clusterfuck for sure and the charges (lack thereof) is also complete and total horseshit.

Which is why I am confused on how they aren't considered negligent, but I really don't understand all the fine print involved with all this, either way if police regulations do protect these fucks in this case, then obviously that needs to change, because this shouldn't have been sliced any other way.

 

[FrankieButNotEdgar]

Which is why I am confused on how they aren't considered negligent, but I really don't understand all the fine print involved with all this, either way if police regulations do protect these fucks in this case, then obviously that needs to change, because this shouldn't have been sliced any other way.

Yea, I don't understand how private citizens can be charged with negligent homicide if under similar circumstances but law enforcement isn't held to the same standard. If anything, they should be held to a higher standard.

 

[Ct_L33T]

1 in 2000. How is that not a number that worries americans? Hell, the police might be more deadly than covid.

Covid-19 has a higher mortality rate in general, but that ratio shifts dramatically for both threats based on age & race. Some studies revealed a Police killing odds ratio for black men is 2.5x the odds for white men, with 1/1000 predicted over the life course.

Risk of being killed by police use of force in the United States by age, race–ethnicity, and sex

Police violence is a leading cause of death for young men in the United States. Over the life course, about 1 in every 1,000 black men can expect to be killed by police. Risk of being killed by police peaks between the ages of 20 y and 35 y for men and women and for all racial and ethnic groups...

www.pnas.org

I wish that vegas allowed betting on police misconduct court cases, because I would be rich by now. The +- on George Floyd's murders getting more than 7 years has to be atleast -500.

 

[Ninjastix]

I stand by my assertions that policing as it is practiced in the United States is a broken institution. Just like prisons can make people criminals, police departments can make people killers. That's institutional behavioral conditioning. And it's killing our citizens. There are no Red Americans, Blue Americans, and Purple Americans. We're all Americans and our security polices are killing our poorer, less advantaged, less enfranchised citizens.

Reformation is only a solution if it's wholesale. To protect both people and police we have to completely redefine what it means to police in this country.

For me personally, my brain doesn't get past Tamir Rice. Just like when it concerns mass shootings, my brain cannot get past the Virginia Tech killer. They should have been end points. They should have been the definitive end to discussions about race, guns, and media coverage (exploitation) of violence.

But they weren't. And they're barely footnotes these days.

 

[Nebraska]

A cop murdered a woman and was only charged for the shots he missed. The sad reality is, nobody on this forum thought the result would be anything different.

Wrong. A cop murdered a black woman and his partner was charged for scaring white people.