The Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Thread

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If I’m a republican shouldn’t I have voted that way. 2x Obama and last one I didn’t vote for Hilary or trump. Or are you trying to say Obama didn’t do anything wrong an has no fault.
I was making a joke until Captain Snowflake got all in his feelings about it.

Fuck all of them in the neck. But Trump extra hard.
 

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Which part
You think all those people that were pardoned or let out with just pot charges were the only thing they were busted for. Sure some but most of them no. They were pled down just to get some of them in jail.

That part.
 

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It’s definitely ok to lose. My kids play sports and about the only place I kind of see this is in the church league run soccer league they play in. Teams actually lose, they just don’t talk about it much. I like all coaching styles but I definitely like the old school suck it up approach. You win, or you learn. I think that’s what they say.

I don’t see how letting non violent offenders off early is bad. We should be embarrassed about sending people to jail for pot. It’s just embarrassing. I respect law enforcement, and I served my country honorably, but I would be down right shamed to put a man or woman in jail for pot.

I liked Obama’s approach of having a beer and shooting the shit with people. I feel like he was a good man.
 

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I liked Obama’s approach of having a beer and shooting the shit with people. I feel like he was a good man.
I like to picture a world where a black man gets elected that has zero experience in politics, has 5 kids with 3 different women, cheated on every wife he's ever had, and has bankrupted more businesses than you can count.

Makes you miss Obama's greatest scandal, one of the worst in recent memory....the tan suit.

 

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Obama and the Bush’s seemed liked good husbands that loved their wives. I wish W, Laura, Barack, and Michelle would go on speaking tours together. They all have a fun friendship.
 

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Which part is wrong, and how is my feeling about something wrong. But I forget if I don’t agree with you, it must be wrong.

The Obama letting people out of prison isn’t wrong,( well he didn’t technically let each person out of a cell) a lot of the charges were pled down, not wrong, black lives matter anti police, not wrong. Everyone not equal definitely not wrong.

Obama gave clemency to something like 1700 people. Pardoned over 200. And some of them are already back in jail.

But hey if you want to teach your kids that everyone is equal and everyone has the same chances in life, and everyone wins that is fine. But I’m going to make sure my daughter knows the truth. That even if you try your hardest you still can fail. Even if your the best, sometimes it’s not enough. Their will be winners and losers, and if you lose that’s ok. Just get up and try again.
Honestly I’m not even sure what the hell your point is right now. I’m talking about equal rights and you’re talking about telling kids “good job” after they get their butt kicked in rec league soccer while also laying into Obama for pardoning potheads or something. You’re all over the map.
 

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Honestly I’m not even sure what the hell your point is right now. I’m talking about equal rights and you’re talking about telling kids “good job” after they get their butt kicked in rec league soccer while also laying into Obama for pardoning potheads or something. You’re all over the map.
I never said anything about equal rights, go back and read. As for equal rights sure as long as your not a convicted felon.
 

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You think all those people that were pardoned or let out with just pot charges were the only thing they were busted for. Sure some but most of them no. They were pled down just to get some of them in jail.

That part.
My bad I can’t find any sources. Just going off personal experience in working in the criminal justice field, and how you rarely go to jail for what you are arrested for. It’s pled down to keep the justice system moving along.

But there is this https://www.chicagotribune.com/opin...-rivera-bombings-clemency-20170119-story.html

And not all were just low level drug offenses

https://www.thoughtco.com/people-pardoned-by-president-barack-obama-3367599
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So what rights should convicted felons not have?
I like the ones that they lose already, no voting, no firearms. I’m good with those. Has to be some consequences when you get out of prison or it’s just like you had a nice long rapey vacation.
 

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I like the ones that they lose already, no voting, no firearms. I’m good with those. Has to be some consequences when you get out of prison or it’s just like you had a nice long rapey vacation.
I can vote and I can own a firearm in my home. I'm a convicted felon.

So I should lose those rights? It's been 18 years since the date of my conviction without 1 ticket since then. Fuck rehabilitation huh?
 

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I can vote and I can own a firearm in my home. I'm a convicted felon.

So I should lose those rights? It's been 18 years since the date of my conviction without 1 ticket since then. Fuck rehabilitation huh?
Massachusetts won’t allow you to have a firearm in almost every jurisdiction if you have any drug charges or violent felonies or even OUI’s.
 

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Massachusetts won’t allow you to have a firearm in almost every jurisdiction if you have any drug charges or violent felonies or even OUI’s.
In Texas there's a law called The Castle Law or something similar and 5 years after your case is closed, you can own a firearm on your property for protection. That's state law. Federal law of course says felons cannot own firearms. Very much the same vein as the federal vs state in regards to marijuana.
 

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I can vote and I can own a firearm in my home. I'm a convicted felon.

So I should lose those rights? It's been 18 years since the date of my conviction without 1 ticket since then. Fuck rehabilitation huh?
Ok my statement was vague. Obviously not all crimes are equal and not all crimes should carry the same consequences. If your raped, killed, attempted to do either or conspiracy on either then some of those rights should be stripped. Same with other violent crimes, if you car jacked someone, robbed someone with a weapon same thing.

But I mean if you wrote some bad checks, busted with minor drugs, stuff like that would be ok. I mean the line has to be drawn somewhere. You can’t compare someone who raped someone with some 18 year old that did something stupid.

So basically anything non violent you shouldn’t lose rights for.

I also agree most people should have there right to defend there property, persons, and family. Let’s face it unless your chuck norris a stick won’t cut it.

Michigan your not allowed to own any type of firearm or weapon that your have to obtain a permit to get if you are a felon.
 

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I can vote and I can own a firearm in my home. I'm a convicted felon.

So I should lose those rights? It's been 18 years since the date of my conviction without 1 ticket since then. Fuck rehabilitation huh?
This is something I’d never really thought about until fairly recently when John Oliver and I think Samantha Bee did pieces on it. I don’t have a terribly informed opinion on the subject, but I do think that a felon that has been released from prison shouldn’t necessarily have every right available upon reentering society, but if we’re going to keep those rights away for a lifetime that’s far from fair. If you’re able to be a productive member of society, you should be afforded the same rights the rest of that society
 

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@S=E can you go to the target range and shoot legally, or can the weapon not leave your home? I think you said once you and your wife shoot. If she owns the gun then can you legally shoot at the range?
 

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I don’t see how letting non violent offenders off early is bad. We should be embarrassed about sending people to jail for pot. It’s just embarrassing. I respect law enforcement, and I served my country honorably, but I would be down right shamed to put a man or woman in jail for pot.
The idea that we're making weed medically available while people are in prison for selling it is a problem the nation needs to get a hold of before legalization.

We also need to get a handle on good, cheap field testing for marijuana influences. I work with waaaaaay too many kids who would never get behind the wheel after two drinks, but somehow think weed makes them better drivers.

It doesn't.

This is something I’d never really thought about until fairly recently when John Oliver and I think Samantha Bee did pieces on it. I don’t have a terribly informed opinion on the subject, but I do think that a felon that has been released from prison shouldn’t necessarily have every right available upon reentering society, but if we’re going to keep those rights away for a lifetime that’s far from fair. If you’re able to be a productive member of society, you should be afforded the same rights the rest of that society
I think there should be a re-naturalization process to earn them back. Get a job, pay taxes, stay out of the life for x amount of time and you are good to go. That's what a rehabilitative or restorative system should do. Redirect, allow them to prove themselves, make them whole.

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I can vote and I can own a firearm in my home. I'm a convicted felon.

So I should lose those rights? It's been 18 years since the date of my conviction without 1 ticket since then. Fuck rehabilitation huh?
i guess it depends what felony you committed, if someone commits felony money laundering then i see no reason why your gun rights should be taken away but if robbed a bank with a gun or shot up your ex gf house then maybe you should lose your rights.
but then again i don't believe owning a gun should be a natural right, it not an essential right.
 

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