The Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Thread

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You think all those people that were pardoned or let out with just pot charges were the only thing they were busted for. Sure some but most of them no. They were pled down just to get some of them in jail.

That part.
My bad I can’t find any sources. Just going off personal experience in working in the criminal justice field, and how you rarely go to jail for what you are arrested for. It’s pled down to keep the justice system moving along.

But there is this https://www.chicagotribune.com/opin...-rivera-bombings-clemency-20170119-story.html

And not all were just low level drug offenses

https://www.thoughtco.com/people-pardoned-by-president-barack-obama-3367599
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So what rights should convicted felons not have?
I like the ones that they lose already, no voting, no firearms. I’m good with those. Has to be some consequences when you get out of prison or it’s just like you had a nice long rapey vacation.
 

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I like the ones that they lose already, no voting, no firearms. I’m good with those. Has to be some consequences when you get out of prison or it’s just like you had a nice long rapey vacation.
I can vote and I can own a firearm in my home. I'm a convicted felon.

So I should lose those rights? It's been 18 years since the date of my conviction without 1 ticket since then. Fuck rehabilitation huh?
 

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I can vote and I can own a firearm in my home. I'm a convicted felon.

So I should lose those rights? It's been 18 years since the date of my conviction without 1 ticket since then. Fuck rehabilitation huh?
Massachusetts won’t allow you to have a firearm in almost every jurisdiction if you have any drug charges or violent felonies or even OUI’s.
 

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Massachusetts won’t allow you to have a firearm in almost every jurisdiction if you have any drug charges or violent felonies or even OUI’s.
In Texas there's a law called The Castle Law or something similar and 5 years after your case is closed, you can own a firearm on your property for protection. That's state law. Federal law of course says felons cannot own firearms. Very much the same vein as the federal vs state in regards to marijuana.
 

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I can vote and I can own a firearm in my home. I'm a convicted felon.

So I should lose those rights? It's been 18 years since the date of my conviction without 1 ticket since then. Fuck rehabilitation huh?
Ok my statement was vague. Obviously not all crimes are equal and not all crimes should carry the same consequences. If your raped, killed, attempted to do either or conspiracy on either then some of those rights should be stripped. Same with other violent crimes, if you car jacked someone, robbed someone with a weapon same thing.

But I mean if you wrote some bad checks, busted with minor drugs, stuff like that would be ok. I mean the line has to be drawn somewhere. You can’t compare someone who raped someone with some 18 year old that did something stupid.

So basically anything non violent you shouldn’t lose rights for.

I also agree most people should have there right to defend there property, persons, and family. Let’s face it unless your chuck norris a stick won’t cut it.

Michigan your not allowed to own any type of firearm or weapon that your have to obtain a permit to get if you are a felon.
 

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I can vote and I can own a firearm in my home. I'm a convicted felon.

So I should lose those rights? It's been 18 years since the date of my conviction without 1 ticket since then. Fuck rehabilitation huh?
This is something I’d never really thought about until fairly recently when John Oliver and I think Samantha Bee did pieces on it. I don’t have a terribly informed opinion on the subject, but I do think that a felon that has been released from prison shouldn’t necessarily have every right available upon reentering society, but if we’re going to keep those rights away for a lifetime that’s far from fair. If you’re able to be a productive member of society, you should be afforded the same rights the rest of that society
 

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@S=E can you go to the target range and shoot legally, or can the weapon not leave your home? I think you said once you and your wife shoot. If she owns the gun then can you legally shoot at the range?
 

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I don’t see how letting non violent offenders off early is bad. We should be embarrassed about sending people to jail for pot. It’s just embarrassing. I respect law enforcement, and I served my country honorably, but I would be down right shamed to put a man or woman in jail for pot.
The idea that we're making weed medically available while people are in prison for selling it is a problem the nation needs to get a hold of before legalization.

We also need to get a handle on good, cheap field testing for marijuana influences. I work with waaaaaay too many kids who would never get behind the wheel after two drinks, but somehow think weed makes them better drivers.

It doesn't.

This is something I’d never really thought about until fairly recently when John Oliver and I think Samantha Bee did pieces on it. I don’t have a terribly informed opinion on the subject, but I do think that a felon that has been released from prison shouldn’t necessarily have every right available upon reentering society, but if we’re going to keep those rights away for a lifetime that’s far from fair. If you’re able to be a productive member of society, you should be afforded the same rights the rest of that society
I think there should be a re-naturalization process to earn them back. Get a job, pay taxes, stay out of the life for x amount of time and you are good to go. That's what a rehabilitative or restorative system should do. Redirect, allow them to prove themselves, make them whole.

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I can vote and I can own a firearm in my home. I'm a convicted felon.

So I should lose those rights? It's been 18 years since the date of my conviction without 1 ticket since then. Fuck rehabilitation huh?
i guess it depends what felony you committed, if someone commits felony money laundering then i see no reason why your gun rights should be taken away but if robbed a bank with a gun or shot up your ex gf house then maybe you should lose your rights.
but then again i don't believe owning a gun should be a natural right, it not an essential right.
 

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@S=E can you go to the target range and shoot legally, or can the weapon not leave your home? I think you said once you and your wife shoot. If she owns the gun then can you legally shoot at the range?
Depends on the state. But I believe federal law says a felon can not possess any firearm. Which I take to mean not own, shoot or hold. But then again how many gun ranges are going to want to check your record.

In Michigan a felon can’t reside in a house with firearms. Only time that’s really enforced here is when the police come to your house and arrest you. Then they can tack on more charges.
 

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Depends on the state. But I believe federal law says a felon can not possess any firearm. Which I take to mean not own, shoot or hold. But then again how many gun ranges are going to want to check your record.

In Michigan a felon can’t reside in a house with firearms. Only time that’s really enforced here is when the police come to your house and arrest you. Then they can tack on more charges.
Yeah I was just curious. Of course if he owns a gun, sak said his state you can for your house, then the person is going to shoot it. You’d have to shoot it to be prepared for an intruder. I was just wondering if it was technically legal. I get that he probably does and I’m not looking down. I’ve done tons of things I’m not supposed to do. Just was curious if he can own a gun and legally shoot at his range. Our range is a shoot at your own leisure place. No id needed.
 

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Yeah I was just curious. Of course if he owns a gun, sak said his state you can for your house, then the person is going to shoot it. You’d have to shoot it to be prepared for an intruder. I was just wondering if it was technically legal. I get that he probably does and I’m not looking down. I’ve done tons of things I’m not supposed to do. Just was curious if he can own a gun and legally shoot at his range. Our range is a shoot at your own leisure place. No id needed.
Not looking down either. It’s just one of those we can charge you if we want things. Federal trumps state law, but federal doesn’t really care.
 
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Smiling ‘Team Mitch’ Supporters Pose While Choking Cutout Of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez



A group of young men in “Team Mitch” campaign shirts supporting Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell at an annual political picnic in Kentucky were captured in a photo smiling as one of them pretended to strangle a cardboard cutout of Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.).

Social media accounts of some of the men identified by Twitter users were taken down — or shut down by Twitter for inappropriate postings — by Monday. But at least one Instagram account of a local Republican backer who also attended the picnic had it up late in the day. It was also later removed.

McConnell campaign spokesman Kevin Golden told HuffPost in an email that Team Mitch “in no way condones any aggressive, suggestive, or demeaning act toward life-sized cardboard cutouts of any gender.” He said the men are “not campaign staff; they’re high schoolers, and it’s incredible that the national media has sought to once again paint a target on their backs rather than report real, and significant news in our country.”

Some of the same men also appeared in a photo on the official “Team Mitch” Instagram account for the Fancy Farm picnic, holding aloft cutout faces of Supreme Court Justices Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch.

McConnell’s campaign manager, Kevin Golden, insisted the gravestones were a homage to a cartoon in the Louisville Courrier-Journal that featured gravestones, also including one of McGrath.


Both images linking killing and death to political targets come at a particularly fraught time, after a weekend that saw two mass murders — including the apparently hate-fueled attack in El Paso, Texas, that has left 22 people dead.

Critics are linking the violence to political leaders’ hate speech and racist attacks. Ocasio-Cortez and three other freshman congresswomen of color — along with African American Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-Md.) — have been viciously attacked in recent weeks in public statements by President Donald Trump.

 

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More young people should smoke pot and grow their hair long like I did in my youth. Harder to be upset when you’re stoned and long hair don’t care.

It’s nice for kids to be involved with politics but it’s scary they have such poor morals and just look like shit bags. And those kids are being paid my McConnel?
 

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It was a good interview. Right up until she blamed voter suppression. Especially as she had no argument for why long lines only affected younger voters. Boogyman.
 

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It was a good interview. Right up until she blamed voter suppression. Especially as she had no argument for why long lines only affected younger voters. Boogyman.
Long lines didn't only affect younger voters, but they would negatively impact younger voters working minimum wage jobs with inflexible schedules.

The voter suppression that's taken place since the gutting of the voting rights act is impressive.
 

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Long lines didn't only affect younger voters, but they would negatively impact younger voters working minimum wage jobs with inflexible schedules.

The voter suppression that's taken place since the gutting of the voting rights act is impressive.
Generally, research has held that younger people have more flexible schedules and fewer responsibilities. Also, I believe in all 50 states employers are legally required to make full accomodations for voting. If you miss 4 hours, you can't be fired or penalized (other than missing pay if you're hourly).
 

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Generally, research has held that younger people have more flexible schedules and fewer responsibilities. Also, I believe in all 50 states employers are legally required to make full accomodations for voting. If you miss 4 hours, you can't be fired or penalized (other than missing pay if you're hourly).
https://www.workplacefairness.org/voting-rights-time-off-work?state=GA#GA

Some states do, with the maximum allowed time being 4 hours. Some states have next to nothing in terms of punishments, it varies by state to state. Missing work without pay is shitty, especially considering a high percentage of people in those jobs are living check to check.

These allowances are useless when people are waiting up to 7 hours to vote. Guess which states have the weakest protections; here's a hint, it correlates with the states that have closed the most polling locations since the gutting of the voting rights act.
 
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I pray one of my uncles lives long enough to see aoc become president, or vp.
 

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