MMA In the Olympics: "Who is dumb enough to think this is possible?" (1 Viewer)

Noob

www.myspace.com/mmaspot
CON: MMA in the Olympics. Who is dumb enough to think this is possible? Where do I start? Okay, so (a) you think it’s possible that Matt Hughes would fight Jake Shields, Georges St. Pierre and Karo Parisyan in one week? (b) Companies like the UFC would be okay with losing any big money MMA fights like Rampage vs. Liddell for some Olympic semi-final on NBC? This isn’t even mentioning the brutality of the sport and the injury risk. MMA in the Olympics would never work…. how about we work on BJJ in the Olympics? That is possible and worth fighting for…. MMA is not.

Source



Them's fightin' words.
 

Poindexter

Reputation: ∞
Staff member
No reason it shouldn't. With protective gear and a point system it could broaden the international appeal exponentially, IMO.
 

mauladala

Machidala
Why is it assumed professionals would be the ones competing in the Olympics? If it were in the games it would be amateurs and they would have either less rounds or three 3 minute rounds. That's a pretty absurdly aggressive stance by the author of that quote without really thinking the whole thing through.

BUT, I would love to see BJJ in the games- which does seem more plausible in the short term.

Edit: Yes, as Poindexter said, headgear or heavier gloves could be used as well.
 

Poindexter

Reputation: ∞
Staff member
Why is it assumed professionals would be the ones competing in the Olympics? If it were in the games it would be amateurs and they would have either less rounds or three 3 minute rounds. That's a pretty absurdly aggressive stance by the author of that quote without really thinking the whole thing through.

BUT, I would love to see BJJ in the games- which does seem more plausible in the short term.
True, there is no reason that BJJ, or JJ, shouldn't already be in the Olympics.
 

valheruking

Brought the vodka
Yeah I would have thought BJJ was pretty well suited to Olympic scoring, if a little complicated for your average Joe to follow.
 

mauladala

Machidala
Before I read the article, I will say can you IMAGINE the scoring discrepancies and controversies BJJ scoring could cause in the Olympics???? I shutter to think.
 

Poindexter

Reputation: ∞
Staff member
I have my doubts about BJJ ever being in the Olympics. An article I read about a year ago, that I remember being very well-researched. Definitely recommend taking a look at it.


http://www.onthemat.com/wiki/index.php/Why_BJJ_&_No_Gi_can't_be_Olympic_Sports
Damn, well after reading that I can see the arguments they've created against including it. But, I think it would be a great addition and historically it can be considered, at least in part, as one of the earliest competitions that were included in the original games. It just needs the right PR, IMO, and given the rising popularity of MMA there may be some hope...
 

mauladala

Machidala
* Not a global sport/Not a well subscribed sport

Outside of Brazil and the United States, although there are thriving BJJ and Sub Wrestling scenes in many countries, the sport is very underdeveloped and the disparity between number of judoka and number of Jitsuka is huge.
Meh, pretty false. Japan (where judo is dwidling and BJJ/JJ is gaining inpopularity), Russia (though Sambo is definitely the national combat sport), and Canada are all beginning to thrive in BJJ, aren't they?


* Limited media appearances

BJJ and Submission Wrestling appearances are limited to broadcasts over the internet or on small channels such a PremiereCombate in Brazil. There are few mainstream media appearances.
So true.


* Total Domination of the sport by 1 country

If BJJ or Sub Wrestling were Olympic sports, Brazil would win ever medal in every category (the only potential exception to this would be in the Women's dvision). The depth of class and skill in Brazil at all weight categories far exceeds that of its nearest competitor, the United States and to date only 1 non-Brazilian has ever won a Black Belt Adult title at the CBJJ World Championships (B.J. Penn)
Maybe the rest of the world is not on the competitive level just yet, but then I ask you how basketball maintained a place in the Olympics when the US was dominating for years? How does table tennis maintain Olympic status when China ALWAYS wins? etc. etc.


* No Anti-Doping policy

Neither the CBJJ nor the CBJJO nor the ADCC has a drug-testing policy in place.
Yeah, that is BS There should be a policy in place.


* High impact of judging on the outcome of a match

The assessment of point scoring moves is quite subjective and can significantly affect the outcome of a match.
LOL. I KNEW this had to be in there. So true.


* Judging/Refereeing system has a poor reputation (undergoing refinement at the moment)

Although the CBJJ are planning to introduce mat judges in addition to the actual refereee (as a result of controversial wins for Ronaldo 'Jacare' Souza over Roger Gracie in the 2004 and 2005 CBJJ World Championships) the standard of refereeing even at the highest level of competition is very mixed and not of a consistently high standard.
Sigh. Can't disagree with this either.


* No single governing body

There are 2 World Governing bodies for BJJ, which is against IOC Protocol and no genuine World Governing Body for Submission wrestling, however the advent of the World Grappling Committee under the auspices of FILA may change this.
This is easily remedied- and it looks like it will be. I can't think this is a good reason. There isn't ONE single governing body for basketball is there? The U.S. doesn't comply with International rules save when it plays Iinternational teams, and vice versa. There is for soccer, but there are so many subdivisions of national governing bodies, and many of them disagree on what rules should be in place (though FIFA has gotten stronger in the N. and S. American regions).



* Poor Gender Equity/Women's BJJ very underdeveloped in comparison

Although improvements have been made in the past few years, the number of elite women grapplers is very low in comparison to elite male grapplers.
This is the worst reason of all considering this was (and still is in some cases) a fact for MANY of the Olympic sports. I actually see many women training (BJJ at least) for local comps. all the time. The Olympics aren't SUPPOSED to be "elite". They're supposed to be amateur athletes representing their country. If they were only supposed to be elite, then those countries that have ONE representative (who barely qualified in whatever discipline) sent to the Games, wouldn't be allowed to compete.



* Too similar to Wrestling/Judo

Wrestling itself struggles to keep 2 variants at the Olympics, it is unthinkable that there would be 3 (if Sub-Wrestling were introduced). BJJ would also be too similar to Judo in the minds of the general public.
Yeah but... BJJ is better. lol j/k to the wrestling lovers. sorta


* Not Visually appealing enough/poor spectator sport

Although this is generally confined to the lower belts, BJJ and Submission Wrestling are not the most visually appealing fo sports (although this is generally a result of the individuals involved in any match).
This is mere opinion, and a bad one I might add.



* Political pull of other Martial Arts

As mentioned above, it is unlikely that other Martial Arts already either in The Olympic Programme or 'Recognised' by the IOC would support the inclusion of another Martial Art.
Really?? Cuz the flailing Judo has the power/or really would want to stop BJJ from being in the Games? Judo is in serious trouble as far as numbers of practitioners and interest goes. TKD is so completely different from BJJ that I buy this even less from that martial art.


* Sports Jiu Jitsu already recognised by IOC/World Games.

The Jiu Jitsu variant Sports Jiu-Jitsu (a cross between Judo and point-scoring Karate) is already recognised by the IOC and appears on the World Games Programme. It is unlikely that the IOC would countenance putting this SJJ on the IOC Programme, let alone recognise a relatively minor variant of it.
Huh. I did not know this.

Interesting article anyway. It's cool to see all the prerequisites for the IOC's decision into what they allow into the Olympics... even if some do seem hypocritical given some of the sports in the Games.

and :clap: for me for a retardedly long post
 

Intellectual

Breathe Life Into a Stone
if they dont allow Sambo or BJJ, they won't allow MMA.

but Judo is fine i guess. You're just throwing a guy on his head.
 

Palma

I am chaos
I agree that it's stupid to think that any sport in it's infancy would be in the Olympics anytime soon... I also think it's stupid to think that any sport this controversial or violent would be an Olympic sport anytime soon. Maybe 50 years from now... but certainly not anytime soon.
 

mauladala

Machidala
I agree that it's stupid to think that any sport in it's infancy would be in the Olympics anytime soon... I also think it's stupid to think that any sport this controversial or violent would be an Olympic sport anytime soon. Maybe 50 years from now... but certainly not anytime soon.
What about BJJ though? I know that's not the thread subj., just wondering what you thought.
 

Palma

I am chaos
What about BJJ though? I know that's not the thread subj., just wondering what you thought.
I doubt it will ever be popular enough... maybe if it's popularity continues at the rate it currently is growing for the next 20 years or so... maybe. The IFJJ organization has been trying to make it an olympic sport for some time now... it has to be popular world wide; not just in the US, Brazil, Japan, and a few spots in Europe before it becomes an Olympic sport.
 

Poindexter

Reputation: ∞
Staff member
I doubt it will ever be popular enough... maybe if it's popularity continues at the rate it currently is growing for the next 20 years or so... maybe. The IFJJ organization has been trying to make it an olympic sport for some time now... it has to be popular world wide; not just in the US, Brazil, Japan, and a few spots in Europe before it becomes an Olympic sport.
I agree that popularity seems to be a determining factor, but what about that god damn trampoline gymnastics? That was not a sport for 20 years as far as I can tell. What is needed is some good PR, but you may be right in that may not even work in the short term.
 

mauladala

Machidala
I doubt it will ever be popular enough... maybe if it's popularity continues at the rate it currently is growing for the next 20 years or so... maybe. The IFJJ organization has been trying to make it an olympic sport for some time now... it has to be popular world wide; not just in the US, Brazil, Japan, and a few spots in Europe before it becomes an Olympic sport.
That makes sense. But it just boggles my mind that a sport like Table Tennis (which I love- as Ping Pong a "recreationally" competitive game) is an Olympic sport. Isn't that severely weighted in popularity to just Asian countries such as China and Japan, and a few others. Maybe I'm not well versed enough to speak on that and I'm just assuming. Handball too. That's mostly European dominated, right?- and few there are excelling at it. Handball might be a bad example.
 

Palma

I am chaos
I agree that popularity seems to be a determining factor, but what about that god damn trampoline gymnastics? That was not a sport for 20 years as far as I can tell. What is needed is some good PR, but you may be right in that may not even work in the short term.
they just added another event to a pre-existing sport that has dozens of events... it's like if they added a new swimming or diving event. It's not like they are added stock car racing or anything that radical.
 

Poindexter

Reputation: ∞
Staff member
they just added another event to a pre-existing sport that has dozens of events... it's like if they added a new swimming or diving event. It's not like they are added stock car racing or anything that radical.
That's true.
 

Users Who Are Viewing This Thread (Users: 0, Guests: 1)

Members online

Fight - Night Kattar vs IGE

Latest profile posts

RIP Ennio Morricone
So, who is going to vote for Kanye? :>
Sing to the death rattle la, la, la, la, la, la, la-lie..
Tyrannicide forms the historical, political, and ethical foundation of democratic order.
Cloud Strife to USA: "yeah.. you owe me a pizza."

Forum statistics

Threads
41,719
Messages
1,060,228
Members
2,304
Latest member
Subtleties
Top