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Miz

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MBC

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I have not been keeping up in the political forum for a variety of reasons. Maybe in doing so I have not seen what has gone on here. I know the country for many reasons is hurting. The country is divided and people have their opinions on things. Not everyone is going to agree, not everyone is going to have the same beliefs on subject matter. There are rights and wrongs across all party lines and based on peoples firm opinions on matters those normally do not bend. I am not saying any of this in any political fashion, personally I can not stand our politicians, starting from the top all the way to the bottom. Again, I am unaware of what has transpired here, why this thread is posted or what really is going on. I do know that we all for the most part have very minor disagreements here. Politics in one way or another is destroying lives, friendships and those things we all have in common. I know sometimes I come off as a cynic, although in some cases I think I am lol, but all I want in this world is for people to love one another, love themselves, love whats around them and live their life the best way possible. I hate seeing all this anger and hate, all I know is no matter what you think politically, we need to do better with how we treat one another across the board. The way the world is, mainly this country, is sick to me. I hate seeing the overflow of anger and resentment. We can all do better, lets not destroy something we have taken over a decade to build here. Our government , from all aspects is doing a good enough job of that as it is. Lets just let this shit go, we have far more in common than anything else. Hate and anger are just perpetuated when they are met with the same. Lets stop this stuff, honestly, can we just let it all go. You guys are all amazing for your own reason, well most of you , ha! If none of this matters, that is fine as well, I think you all have redeeming qualities. I am not looking to stir the pot or get into any argument or debate. "I once myself dabbled in pacifism, not in NAM of course."

-MBC
 

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I have not been keeping up in the political forum for a variety of reasons. Maybe in doing so I have not seen what has gone on here. I know the country for many reasons is hurting. The country is divided and people have their opinions on things. Not everyone is going to agree, not everyone is going to have the same beliefs on subject matter. There are rights and wrongs across all party lines and based on peoples firm opinions on matters those normally do not bend. I am not saying any of this in any political fashion, personally I can not stand our politicians, starting from the top all the way to the bottom. Again, I am unaware of what has transpired here, why this thread is posted or what really is going on. I do know that we all for the most part have very minor disagreements here. Politics in one way or another is destroying lives, friendships and those things we all have in common. I know sometimes I come off as a cynic, although in some cases I think I am lol, but all I want in this world is for people to love one another, love themselves, love whats around them and live their life the best way possible. I hate seeing all this anger and hate, all I know is no matter what you think politically, we need to do better with how we treat one another across the board. The way the world is, mainly this country, is sick to me. I hate seeing the overflow of anger and resentment. We can all do better, lets not destroy something we have taken over a decade to build here. Our government , from all aspects is doing a good enough job of that as it is. Lets just let this shit go, we have far more in common than anything else. Hate and anger are just perpetuated when they are met with the same. Lets stop this stuff, honestly, can we just let it all go. You guys are all amazing for your own reason, well most of you , ha! If none of this matters, that is fine as well, I think you all have redeeming qualities. I am not looking to stir the pot or get into any argument or debate. "I once myself dabbled in pacifism, not in NAM of course."

-MBC
Wow, this guy thinks he's better than us.

You better watch your tone, guy, before I stab you with a fucking spoon.
 

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I have not been keeping up in the political forum for a variety of reasons. Maybe in doing so I have not seen what has gone on here. I know the country for many reasons is hurting. The country is divided and people have their opinions on things. Not everyone is going to agree, not everyone is going to have the same beliefs on subject matter. There are rights and wrongs across all party lines and based on peoples firm opinions on matters those normally do not bend. I am not saying any of this in any political fashion, personally I can not stand our politicians, starting from the top all the way to the bottom. Again, I am unaware of what has transpired here, why this thread is posted or what really is going on. I do know that we all for the most part have very minor disagreements here. Politics in one way or another is destroying lives, friendships and those things we all have in common. I know sometimes I come off as a cynic, although in some cases I think I am lol, but all I want in this world is for people to love one another, love themselves, love whats around them and live their life the best way possible. I hate seeing all this anger and hate, all I know is no matter what you think politically, we need to do better with how we treat one another across the board. The way the world is, mainly this country, is sick to me. I hate seeing the overflow of anger and resentment. We can all do better, lets not destroy something we have taken over a decade to build here. Our government , from all aspects is doing a good enough job of that as it is. Lets just let this shit go, we have far more in common than anything else. Hate and anger are just perpetuated when they are met with the same. Lets stop this stuff, honestly, can we just let it all go. You guys are all amazing for your own reason, well most of you , ha! If none of this matters, that is fine as well, I think you all have redeeming qualities. I am not looking to stir the pot or get into any argument or debate. "I once myself dabbled in pacifism, not in NAM of course."

-MBC
This is a great sentiment. I've been thinking a lot about how social media both makes politics more central than it used to be as well as heightens the tensions by artificially inflating the stakes. This site is the only social media I use. It's dangerous to use more.

I sincerely hope that Facebook makes a "no politics" filter and applies some machine learning to the product to create it. I would love to see a group of users advocate to them that they need a politics-free experience.
 

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Ignorance is bliss. It’s easy for people who haven’t been following along to come in late and tell everyone else to calm down. The fact is these disagreements have not been “very minor” and a politics-free zone is not how the real world needs to operate.

The power structures thrive off an apolitical society. That’s why there is always backlash when certain messaging mixes with sports and entertainment. The unspoken truth is those are distractions in the grand scheme of things, which is why you see some factions squirm when the barrier is compromised and more people are activated to speak out and step up. The world isn’t going to change for the better if, for the sake of turning down the temperature, we all just sit quietly and wait for those who have corrupted our government from the top down to suddenly have a crisis of conscience.

More specifically to this forum, I am certainly not making peace with someone who has gone above and beyond to avoid opinions that run contrary to his “beliefs.” Especially when beliefs are light on not only logic, but facts as well. Fuck him and everyone who thinks and acts like him. He’s not a victim and he is not owed a free pass to act that way just so we can all pretend that we are best friends here no matter what. It’s time to grow up.
 

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Ignorance is bliss. It’s easy for people who haven’t been following along to come in late and tell everyone else to calm down. The fact is these disagreements have not been “very minor” and a politics-free zone is not how the real world needs to operate.

The power structures thrive off an apolitical society. That’s why there is always backlash when certain messaging mixes with sports and entertainment. The unspoken truth is those are distractions in the grand scheme of things, which is why you see some factions squirm when the barrier is compromised and more people are activated to speak out and step up. The world isn’t going to change for the better if, for the sake of turning down the temperature, we all just sit quietly and wait for those who have corrupted our government from the top down to suddenly have a crisis of conscience.

More specifically to this forum, I am certainly not making peace with someone who has gone above and beyond to avoid opinions that run contrary to his “beliefs.” Especially when beliefs are light on not only logic, but facts as well. Fuck him and everyone who thinks and acts like him. He’s not a victim and he is not owed a free pass to act that way just so we can all pretend that we are best friends here no matter what. It’s time to grow up.
I didn't take it as MBC swooping in and telling us to calm down. I read it as a commentary on social media. And I believe we need less politics.

If we can't communicate without fighting, if we can't say hi to our neighbors without yelling at them about a disagreement then we play into the exact divisions that are crushing our society today.

In a free society, government should only act around the edges of choice. And those should be rare enough that we can still communicate and socialize with each other without fighting. As an aside, that and the existence of Trump types is exactly why Ill never believe that democratic socialism is a viable political stance. By controlling the means of production, everything becomes a political debate. It's unhealthy and untenable in a highly diverse population. Not to mention the horror that would habe been Trump leading a socialist country and the extended harm he could have done.

That's entirely different from what's happening between you and Dim. You two have a personal, not political, conflict and it was born out of real interaction, not disgust over a political choice. I see that as entirely different and an adult situation in contrast to people getting worked up over memes on FB and fighting each other.

I respect you enough to believe that if Dim wasn't being an asshole about his views, that you would still be able to interact with him.
 

Miz

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I didn't take it as MBC swooping in and telling us to calm down. I read it as a commentary on social media. And I believe we need less politics.

If we can't communicate without fighting, if we can't say hi to our neighbors without yelling at them about a disagreement then we play into the exact divisions that are crushing our society today.

In a free society, government should only act around the edges of choice. And those should be rare enough that we can still communicate and socialize with each other without fighting. As an aside, that and the existence of Trump types is exactly why Ill never believe that democratic socialism is a viable political stance. By controlling the means of production, everything becomes a political debate. It's unhealthy and untenable in a highly diverse population. Not to mention the horror that would habe been Trump leading a socialist country and the extended harm he could have done.

That's entirely different from what's happening between you and Dim. You two have a personal, not political, conflict and it was born out of real interaction, not disgust over a political choice. I see that as entirely different and an adult situation in contrast to people getting worked up over memes on FB and fighting each other.

I respect you enough to believe that if Dim wasn't being an asshole about his views, that you would still be able to interact with him.
The neighbor thing, do you think it has to do with politics being almost a way of life now?
Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t remember seeing as many flags, stickers, etc showing ones political party. It’s almost like it’s no longer beliefs (less government vs more, spending, economics, etc) but who you are as a person
 

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The neighbor thing, do you think it has to do with politics being almost a way of life now?
Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t remember seeing as many flags, stickers, etc showing ones political party. It’s almost like it’s no longer beliefs (less government vs more, spending, economics, etc) but who you are as a person
Idiots picking which team to root for.
 

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The neighbor thing, do you think it has to do with politics being almost a way of life now?
Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t remember seeing as many flags, stickers, etc showing ones political party. It’s almost like it’s no longer beliefs (less government vs more, spending, economics, etc) but who you are as a person
This is a long post. But the TDLR: Ostracizing 48% of voters will lead to civil war. It's juvenile to simultaneously cry about how you think America is collapsing while advocating for something that will lead to civil war.

I 100% do. I think the irony is we agree on 98% of high-level things, disagree on 2% as well as a larger percentage of implementation details, and turn that into an entire identity. The most psychologically powerful and intimate thing, now applied to creating fictitious "others" who nonetheless agree with the majority of your beliefs. Despite us agreeing on needing fair elections, some policing, a basic idea of fairness in society, etc., we have created an in-group and out-group that ignores commonality.

It's painful because all this is happening at the same time people are being denied rights and disproportionately killed by our government. So, in the immediate, there are terrible and important issues. But sometimes, painfully, solutions don't give immediate satisfaction. I'm sure many people fighting for freedom throughout history wanted to yell. Wanted to kill even. But it wasn't necessarily prudent. There are times where the cool-headed solution is to be persuasive not divisive. Ultimately, I believe this focus on persuasion (with things like being very picky about who became a symbol and vetting their backstory first) was key to the success of things like eliminating Jim Crow. It's not sexy, but compromise and persuasion go far.

Very few people want to live through a civil war. Very few people want to live through the kind of collapse many on this board believe America is walking into. And, yet, we continue to paint 48% of voters with a broad brush. Never mind that there are people who are, unfortunately, blind to racial and LGBT injustice out of ignorance, not malice. These people see peace accords in the Middle East, a larger 401k than ever, hear stories of increased American manufacturing, and hear that the left wants legit socialism while be reminded repeatedly by Fox News that such a system has never not led to scary outcomes. They process all that and decide to vote for Trump. They don't intentionally decide to hurt anyone. They have no ill will beyond being tricked by FB that they are under attack. THAT IS A SALVAGEABLE HUMAN BEING.

When you paint the reality of a Trump voter for what is it, it takes a lot of the justification for ostracizing them away. Especially when you come to understand a truth that I suspect many on the board and generally disagree with: You can't understand these behaviors in a modern context. You have to understand them through the adapted mind. And, in that mind, calling for ostracism is the most aggressive, hateful thing we have as a social species. It is, effectively, social violence. The mere fact that people are calling for washing their hands of Trump voters shows just how emotionally fraught this situation has become.

I believe we need less emotion. We need fewer people calling for social violence. If you're a democrat and you disagree with MILLIONS of people, you need to understand that pulling them into the norm will forever be safer and better than committing social violence on them. You need to understand that pulling the AOC thing of "making lists" is dangerous. It's dangerous because the psychology behind a scarlet letter is that you will be punished beyond memory, you will be punished beyond norms, it will last forever. It is inherently unfair and the aligning of social value with power, which is dangerous.

I believe we need actions and social leadership that learn from psychology how to focus on lessening conflict. Starting by lowering the valence of one's political identity day-to-day. Followed by a call to decorum, rather than a call to civility.
 
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This is a long post. But the TDLR: Ostracizing 48% of voters will lead to civil war. It's juvenile to simultaneously cry about how you think America is collapsing while advocating for something that will lead to civil war.

I 100% do. I think the irony is we agree on 98% of high-level things, disagree on 2% as well as a larger percentage of implementation details, and turn that into an entire identity. The most psychologically powerful and intimate thing, now applied to creating fictitious "others" who nonetheless agree with the majority of your beliefs. Despite us agreeing on needing fair elections, some policing, a basic idea of fairness in society, etc., we have created an in-group and out-group that ignores commonality.

It's painful because all this is happening at the same time people are being denied rights and disproportionately killed by our government. So, in the immediate, there are terrible and important issues. But sometimes, painfully, solutions don't give immediate satisfaction. I'm sure many people fighting for freedom throughout history wanted to yell. Wanted to kill even. But it wasn't necessarily prudent. There are times where the cool-headed solution is to be persuasive not divisive. Ultimately, I believe this focus on persuasion (with things like being very picky about who became a symbol and vetting their backstory first) was key to the success of things like eliminating Jim Crow. It's not sexy, but compromise and persuasion go far.

Very few people want to live through a civil war. Very few people want to live through the kind of collapse many on this board believe America is walking into. And, yet, we continue to paint 48% of voters with a broad brush. Never mind that there are people who are, unfortunately, blind to racial and LGBT injustice out of ignorance, not malice. These people see peace accords in the Middle East, a larger 401k than ever, hear stories of increased American manufacturing, and hear that the left wants legit socialism while be reminded repeatedly by Fox News that such a system has never not led to scary outcomes. They process all that and decide to vote for Trump. They don't intentionally decide to hurt anyone. They have no ill will beyond being tricked by FB that they are under attack. THAT IS A SALVAGEABLE HUMAN BEING.

When you paint the reality of a Trump voter for what is it, it takes a lot of the justification for ostracizing them away. Especially when you come to understand a truth that I suspect many on the board and generally disagree with: You can't understand these behaviors in a modern context. You have to understand them through the adapted mind. And, in that mind, calling for ostracism is the most aggressive, hateful thing we have as a social species. It is, effectively, social violence. The mere fact that people are calling for washing their hands of Trump voters shows just how emotionally fraught this situation has become.

I believe we need less emotion. We need fewer people calling for social violence. If you're a democrat and you disagree with MILLIONS of people, you need to understand that pulling them into the norm will forever be safer and better than committing social violence on them. You need to understand that pulling the AOC thing of "making lists" is dangerous. It's dangerous because the psychology behind a scarlet letter is that you will be punished beyond memory, you will be punished beyond norms, it will last forever. It is inherently unfair and the aligning of social value with power, which is dangerous.

I believe we need actions and social leadership that learn from psychology how to focus on lessening conflict. Starting by lowering the valence of one's political identity day-to-day. Followed by a call to decorum, rather than a call to civility.
One of my issues at the beginning of the Trump Presidency was the long term effect of what has been a “youre with me or against me” type mentality in politics. Its even happening inside the groups themselves. Democrats and Republicans are separating themselves from each other. And inside those groups, the progressive democrats are separating themselves and in side the republicans trump supporters are separating themselves. I’m curious as to what it is gonna take for people to see they should be working toward a common goal
 

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One of my issues at the beginning of the Trump Presidency was the long term effect of what has been a “youre with me or against me” type mentality in politics. Its even happening inside the groups themselves. Democrats and Republicans are separating themselves from each other. And inside those groups, the progressive democrats are separating themselves and in side the republicans trump supporters are separating themselves. I’m curious as to what it is gonna take for people to see they should be working toward a common goal
What is the common goal?
 

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