Conor McGregor vs Eddie Alvarez set for the LW Title at UFC 205 (1 Viewer)

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I'm surprised they don't have backups ready.

I know it's a pain with licensing and all that, but it's still do-able in my opinion.
 

Noise

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Um, because Dolce has a long-standing history of throwing fighters under the bus whenever they fail to make weight under him and only takes credit for the successes, never assumes any blame or fault in his process and touts himself as a guru only when it works, while completely ignoring the inherent flaws in his cutting practices and the dangers of his methods, which undermine the weigh-in process and gives fighters false perceptions on how much they can cut under his "magic".

Dolce is hired to do a job for clients, so if he's a "professional" and he looks at Alves from the outset, with even the most general knowledge of Alves' troubles getting to 170, now factoring in IV bans and USADA, simple logic should've placed Dolce in a position with his "expertise" to advise the improbabilities of making 155, since it's clear Alves wasn't even close. Instead, he comes out and blasts Alves and his team (but cashed his check), saying they didn't follow his plan, when the reality is that it's people like Dolce who enable these drastic cuts by making promises and completely ignoring the improbabilities and danger.

It's Alves' fault he blew weight. But don't think for a second Dolce didn't sell him a bill of goods that he could make 155 under him, he's done it before, he'll keep doing it and he's a complete fraudster.
Alves hired him. I hate displacing responsibility, particularly to weight cutting in an individual sport.

You sign to fight another man at an agreed upon weight.

You don't make weight.

Fuck that.
 

Afro

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Alves hired him. I hate displacing responsibility, particularly to weight cutting in an individual sport.

You sign to fight another man at an agreed upon weight.

You don't make weight.

Fuck that.
But isn't there a science and calculation to weight cutting hence why Alves hires Dolce so shouldn't Dolce take some responsibility for that considering his job is the science and calculating right? So if a fighter misses weight of course it's on the fighter but Dolce didn't do his job either

It be one thing if weight cutting was purely achieved through effort and hard work, but correct me if I'm wrong I do believe there's more to it than that
 

SandyWH

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But isn't there a science and calculation to weight cutting hence why Alves hires Dolce so shouldn't Dolce take some responsibility for that considering his job is the science and calculating right? So if a fighter misses weight of course it's on the fighter but Dolce didn't do his job either

It be one thing if weight cutting was purely achieved through effort and hard work, but correct me if I'm wrong I do believe there's more to it than that
You're on the right track.

For a lot of guys the weight cut will generally start two-weeks out by way of diet and what foods their taking.
If his nutritionist was doing his job, he would known before Alves took off to head to New York if there was a potential problem.

Not sure I buy the food poisoning thing. But, if it's legit it happened either prior to leaving for NYC, in which case the plan could be altered or UFC contacted to have a heads up. Or it happened once he reached NYC, at which point he should be eating prepared and measured meals, if eating anything based on how much he had to lose. If Alves went out and ate anything on his own, he deserves to miss weight. If he left FLA sick, then that's on his team for not letting the bosses know. And at all points along the way Dolce should know whats going on, especially if he's getting paid by a notorious weight misser.
 

Noise

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But isn't there a science and calculation to weight cutting hence why Alves hires Dolce so shouldn't Dolce take some responsibility for that considering his job is the science and calculating right? So if a fighter misses weight of course it's on the fighter but Dolce didn't do his job either

It be one thing if weight cutting was purely achieved through effort and hard work, but correct me if I'm wrong I do believe there's more to it than that
I'm sure there is, but it's still on that independent contractor to deliver - And I harp on it so much because I know there's a guy across that cage who kept his word. In a sport like this? Where the stakes are, literally, shutting someone's lights out? Now Jim's put in this position because - Some secondary party hired by whoever blah blah blah fuck all.

20%? 30%? Even 70% of Alves' purse isn't enough, imo.
 

Fedorlei Gomipierre

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Alves hired him. I hate displacing responsibility, particularly to weight cutting in an individual sport.

You sign to fight another man at an agreed upon weight.

You don't make weight.

Fuck that.
It's not displacing responsibility when Dolce comes out and comments on his own against his "client" Alves, to protect his image and brand. He was hired by Alves, Alves failed to make weight and Dolce cashes his check regardless but still ensures he throws his client under the bus, it never fails and is "never his fault", that's bullshit.

I 100% agree that Alves is in the wrong here, I do not argue that point. But it's also bullshit for Dolce to always come out when somebody he's working with fails to make weight, because he sells himself as a special cutting guru yet never holds his process accountable when it fails.

Your original statement was to question what if Dolce's comments were correct? I think his track record for always coming out and making these statements is itself a total sham and therefore, I see him as having zero credibility. I also think Dolce and his inflated reputation give fighters in general, illusions as to impractical and exaggerated weight cutting abilities as his record has shown, and while the fighter absolutely takes the responsibility to make a signed weight for a fight, Dolce, in his role, is hired to do things that are unsafe and often impractical to achieve.

I think Alves is the very latest in a line of prime examples of the Dolce con.
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I'm surprised they don't have backups ready.

I know it's a pain with licensing and all that, but it's still do-able in my opinion.
From what I've been reading, they've got Jacare on standby in case Romero balloons back up beyond the commission's standard.
 

SandyWH

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I'm sure there is, but it's still on that independent contractor to deliver - And I harp on it so much because I know there's a guy across that cage who kept his word. In a sport like this? Where the stakes are, literally, shutting someone's lights out? Now Jim's put in this position because - Some secondary party hired by whoever blah blah blah fuck all.

20%? 30%? Even 70% of Alves' purse isn't enough, imo.
I don't think anyone is absolving Alves in any of it. Just this is becoming a pattern for Dolce too. Dolce's got fighters missing weight (which they shouldn't if he's been billed as the expert) and when they miss weight everyone, including Dolce is surprised.

There's no way that Dolce should be surprised if he's monitoring the issue.

It's still wholy on the fighter himself to get right, but tossing some leftover hate at the guy being paid to make sure that the weight is made needs to happen.
 

Fedorlei Gomipierre

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I don't think anyone is absolving Alves in any of it. Just this is becoming a pattern for Dolce too. Dolce's got fighters missing weight (which they shouldn't if he's been billed as the expert) and when they miss weight everyone, including Dolce is surprised.

There's no way that Dolce should be surprised if he's monitoring the issue.

It's still wholy on the fighter himself to get right, but tossing some leftover hate at the guy being paid to make sure that the weight is made needs to happen.
This.

I think @Noise is absolutely correct about holding Alves accountable, and I don't think it is anyone else's fault he didn't make weight at the end of the day, so I hope my posts aren't perceived as though I'm trying to solely blame Dolce for Alves failing here, it's on Alves. I do however think it's a joke that Dolce is touted as an expert, is hired to do a certain job successfully, and pretty much without fail, when his fighters don't make weight he then buries them in public and ensures the media knows so his diet/scam isn't blamed.
 

1inthechamber

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Ariel trying to play up Conor sizing Woodley today is a Joke. One Woodley bomb completely disassembles Conor and ships him back to Ireland.
 

Fedorlei Gomipierre

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Ariel trying to play up Conor sizing Woodley today is a Joke. One Woodley bomb completely disassembles Conor and ships him back to Ireland.
Oh yeah, not gonna happen lol....but I can't blame Woodley for trying to hit the lottery with a Conor fight. I'm also thinking that's a mighty smart way to stay relevant if he loses to Wonderboy.
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A. Whammy
B. Why the fuck didn't they try to score this after the Lawler fight fell through? Was Brown not cleared from the Ellenberger merc?
 

chrisc

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But isn't there a science and calculation to weight cutting hence why Alves hires Dolce so shouldn't Dolce take some responsibility for that considering his job is the science and calculating right? So if a fighter misses weight of course it's on the fighter but Dolce didn't do his job either

It be one thing if weight cutting was purely achieved through effort and hard work, but correct me if I'm wrong I do believe there's more to it than that
I would agree with this, unless Alves and his team really did go away from what Dolce was saying to do. I would say at that point, you can't put any of the fault on him. I'm not saying hes guilty or innocent. But his statement, then Alves' team saying food poison, I think it looks more and more like they did just go away from what Dolce said
 

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Alves didn't use Dolce this time out. Their "schedules" didn't match. Dolce came out by saying, haha fuck you I use science bitch...but there is no science to back that claim up.
 

chrisc

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Alves didn't use Dolce this time out. Their "schedules" didn't match. Dolce came out by saying, haha fuck you I use science bitch...but there is no science to back that claim up.
So what am I missing? If Dolce wasn't apart of this, why is he getting shit on
 

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