UFC 236: Holloway vs Poirier II Results and [Post Fight] Discussion

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    UFC 236: Holloway vs. Poirier -- how to watch

    Pay-per-view, 10 p.m. ET
    Max Hollowayvs.Dustin Poirier
    Kelvin Gastelumvs.Israel Adesanya
    Eryk Andersvs.Khalil Rountree Jr.
    Alan Joubanvs.Dwight Grant
    Ovince Saint Preuxvs.Nikita Krylov

    ESPN/ESPN Deportes
    , 8 p.m.
    Jalin Turnervs.Matt Frevola
    Wilson Reisvs.Alexandre Pantoja
    Max Griffinvs.Zelim Imadaev
    Boston Salmonvs.Khalid Taha

    ESPN+/UFC Fight Pass
    , 6:15 p.m.
    Curtis Millendervs.Belal Muhammad
    Montel Jacksonvs.Andre Soukhamthath
    Lauren Muellervs.Poliana Botelho
    Brandon Davisvs.Randy Costa








     
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    --- Post Added -- Apr 11, 2019, ---
    Dustin Poirier blocking out interim title negativity ahead of UFC 236: ‘People want to say s—t like that’

    Coach says Dustin Poirier’s interim title shot against Max Holloway came at the ‘perfect time’

    Max Holloway happy about Dustin Poirier rematch, but revenge never crossed his mind


    Holloway vs Poirier 2 odds: Latest Vegas lines and betting guide for UFC 236

    Max Holloway (-220) vs. Dustin Poirier (+180)
    Israel Adesanya (-175) vs. Kelvin Gastelum (+155)
    Eryk Anders (-190) vs. Khalil Rountree Jr. (+165)
    Alan Jouban (-115) vs. Dwight Grant (-105)
    Nikita Krylov (-115) vs. Ovince St. Preux (-105)

    Jalin Turner (-120) vs. Matt Frevola (EVEN)
    Alexandre Pantoja (-150) vs. Wilson Reis (+130)
    Zelim Imadaev (-120) vs. Max Griffin (EVEN)
    Boston Salmon (-130) vs. Khalid Taha (+110)
    Belal Muhammad (-145) vs. Curtis Millender (+125)
    Montel Jackson (-525) vs. Andre Soukhamthath (+415)
    Poliana Botelho (-170) vs. Lauren Mueller (+150)
    Brandon Davis (-165) vs. Randy Costa (+145)
     
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    Does anyone have Poirier winning?
     
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    Not I
     
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    I was thinking the same thing... other than catching Max i see Max touching Dustin up pretty baldly
     
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    Poirier wins because he's the more complete martial artist, isn't going to stand and trade with Max until his eyes are closed shut. He's going to crowd his space and will always have the grappling advantage. Wouldn't be surprised at all to see Poirier take Max's back, his primary escape from bottom position is to frame and then to base to all fours. This worked against Ortega because it was the 3rd round and Ortega was on auto-pilot from the beating, but even then Ortega sucked his hips in with ease for the takedown against the fence and dropped him to the mat in a way that I think Poirier will take advantage of, where Ortega is a weak wrestler and was able to have that success in one of the few moments he tried in a area where he had major advantage. That one single moment against Ortega tells me this matchup is essentially even money, coin flip. Poirier can take damage early and Max can pull away, meanwhile Dustin has more tools to end this fight. It's on Dustin admitting he shouldn't box with his ego and to force Max into a defensive fight, which he's also capable of because he is a very quick starter and then picks his opponents late after they've given him reads.
     
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    The UFC 236 weigh-in results are below.

    Main card (PPV at 10 p.m. ET)
    Max Holloway (155) vs. Dustin Poirier (154.5)
    Kelvin Gastelum (184) vs. Israel Adesanya (183)
    Eryk Anders (205) vs. Khalil Rountree Jr. (206)
    Alan Jouban (171) vs. Dwight Grant (171)
    Ovince Saint Preux (206) vs. Nikita Krylov (205)

    Undercard (ESPN at 8 p.m. ET)
    Jalin Turner (156) vs. Matt Frevola (156)
    Wilson Reis (126) vs. Alexandre Pantoja (125.5)
    Max Griffin (170.5) vs. Zelim Imadaev (171)
    Boston Salmon (135.5) vs. Khalid Taha (136)

    Undercard (UFC Fight Pass and ESPN+ at 6:15 p.m. ET)
    Curtis Millender (170.5) vs. Belal Muhammad (171)
    Montel Jackson (136) vs. Andre Soukhamthath (136)
    Lauren Mueller vs. Poliana Botelho (125)
    Brandon Davis (136) vs. Randy Costa (135)





     
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    I think Poirer wins this. I'm not sophisticated enough in my knowledge of the nuts and bolts of fighting. Just a gut feeling. Or maybe I'm rooting for him more than Max. Not that I dislike Max, far from it.

    I dunno, fuck it it's gonna be a hell of a fight either way.
     
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    No need, already made the post for you.
     
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    Oh word. So if Poirier wins I still get tell everybody else "I told you so"?
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    The thing i love the most about watching Holloway fight is that win, lose or draw, he is the most complete switch hitter this sport has ever seen.

    We've seen effective switch hitters before. Jones, Swanson, Dillashaw, Cruz, among others. All have has varying degrees of success by switching up from orthodox to southpaw, and back again.

    The thing they all have in common is what I have dubbed the 'Tekken approach' Yes, they can all switch stances, but while in their 'off' stance they are restricted only to certain attack patterns. Jones lances his straight-left to the body and throws up distracting left high kicks. Dillashaw throws lead right hooks into left body kicks, and vice versa. Swanson favours the stepping hook. Cruz shifts seamlessly from orthodox into southpaw to set up his favoured knee tap take down on offense, an innumerable darting exits on defense.

    But none of them, none of them, show the degree of fluidity or true ambidextrousness that Holloway shows. Motherfucker doesn't shift to southpaw - he becomes a southpaw, replete with the same deeeeeep bag of tricks, traps and feints that he shows from orthodox. It's like fighting two different but equally skilled fighters at the same goddamned time. That's what makes him so hard to plan for, and what makes him such a gift for us fans to watch.

    I think he merks Poirier, personally.
     
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    I think it’s very close but god damnit, I want Max to fuck up Dustin. It’s cool and all about Dustin building the playground but it hasn’t sat well with me ever since he was talking cash shit to Nate ONLY after the fight was off. And now he’s saying he’s going to knock a motherfucker out in Max.

    FUCK HIM UP, MAD MAX!
     
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    Interesting, the only evidence you have on this hunch is that Max is good with both his hands. Poirier still has every other advantage in this fight.
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    For not taking the easy pick and hype, absolutely.
     
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    Cannot wait for tomorrow night. Main events, especially Max/Dustin, are going to be so-damn-juicy.

    I'll be missing most of the card. Going to take my son to a hockey game in town at 7pm. Should make it back during the main card.

    Hope I get to see some dudes play punch face on the ice.
     
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