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Discussion in 'General MMA Forum' started by Poindexter, Oct 3, 2015.
Ronda's star keeps rising. I wouldn't buy the mag, but I'd definitely read the article in the doctor's office. Not that I want to got to the doctor or anything.
Jenner is next but they can't figure out if the headline will be "Caitlyn Jenner the second woman to be featured on cover of men's fitness" or "first chick with dick on cover of men's fitness."
Go girl power
She is the perfect example of what it is to be at the right place at the right time.
It's not like she put in any work to earn it or anything.
Or had any significant amount of experience, skills, or talent...
Sandy like-a the Mandy's.
And it's not like her division is the weakest ever, and it's not like being a "hot" blond who talks shit has helped her.
So tell me then, when has the women's bantamweight division been deeper and better than right now?
You are right, that division has such a rich and long history...
By weakest ever I mean compared to any other divisions we have. Name me one MMA division that is or has been weaker than the female BW division.
There are plenty of UFC male fighters that are way more skilled than RR, however RR is very lucky that her competition is very weak and that DW decided to promote her as the greatest human being ever.
Take Demetrious Johnson for example. That dude is 1000000x more skilled than RR will ever be and he is a dominating champion in a strong division.
But no one cares about him, simply because he is very very small, he does not talk shit, and Zuffa does not hype him.
You're judging the gap between #1 and #2 or #1 and #2-5, and that just doesn't work.
If you're going to go that route then DJ's division is the weakest in all of MMA. Rhonda's would be 2nd. JJ's 3rd, then HW, then MW, etc.
Its bullshit. Just because RR is so far ahead of the rest of the division it doesn't make it weak or bullshit. I'd dare say that #2-#12 in the WBW are all very capable and comparable to one another. Its just that Rhonda is on a completely different level. Not disimilar from when Anderson was running the MW division or Aldo before Edgar arrived. Just because the gap is huge doesn't mean there aren't capable fighters or weak fighters in the division.
You keep dogging Rhonda when even here own peers, men and women both, are blown away at her talent and ability. Yet you still sit there and yap yap yap like she's short on talent and long on attitude and favors.
So you think that Benavidez, Moraga, John Dodson, Jussier Formiga are worse fighters than Miesha Tate, Bethe Correia, Holly Holm, Zingano??
Man, you can not even compare the skills of them.
You would never see in today's MMA a man dominate and beat everyone in 30 seconds (or less) only because he has a good judo base. You would maybe see that in the 90s, but not today.
And not only that, watch a WMMA fight and it is very evident that their skills are very very green compared to the men's skills.
With the difference that Anderson (who is in a whole different planet than RR in terms of skill) was not beating everybody else in 30 seconds. And same is for Aldo, and same is for GSP. And same with Jon Jones.
Why such amazing fighters have gone the distance many times? (specially GSP, who has been criticized a lot for not finishing fights), simply because their opponents are very very skilled too, and it it is extremely hard to finish them.
They are/were extremely good in a strong division. RR is extremely good in a very very weak division.
A man with the exact same amount of skills RR has, would not even be in the Top 5.
And if she is not short on talent and long on attitude and favors how can you explain that many fighters that are much much better than her do not get 1% of the credit she gets?
How is that DJ is not making millions of dollars and appearing everywhere? Considering that technically he is the best fighter in MMA today, (And if he is not the best, at least he is in the Top 3, easily). How is that Weidman is not even close to RR in terms of popularity? (just as RR is not even close to him in terms of skills), even though he has been dominating everyone and easily finished the once invincible Anderson Silva?
Very simple, because she is a "hot" blond with an attractive personality, because sex sells, so the UFC has overhyped her to absolute ridiculous levels and many people actually believe that BS hype.
If it was Cyborg the one who destroys everybody in 30 seconds and is the UFC champion do you think UFC would hype her like crazy? Obviously not, because she is not pretty, her personality is not attractive.
How long do you think it will take before Sage Northcutt becomes the next UFC golden boy? Everybody is already talking about him in other forums even though he is only 1-0 in the UFC. Why do you think is that?
I think the distance between DJ and those guys is farther than the distance between RR and rest of her division.
Rhonda finishes fights. Mostly with her Judo base. You're right about that. How many fights did GSp win with just his wrestling base? Or just his jab? How many fights has Aldo just on leg kicks? DJ with just his speed? Silva with just his striking defense? Jones with just his Greco?
The difference is Rhonda looks to finish every second of every fight. If a man had that same mentality and could do it, he'd be the king of the mother fucking universe.
This is just ignorant.
Olympic Judo athletes, world champion Muay Thai boxers, BJJ Black Belts, boxing champions and their skills aren't up to snuff? OK, so women don't have the speed or power that men have, but don't act tlike they don't have ridiculous skill sets. Most female MMA fighters have deeper skill sets than many of their male counterparts with similar fight experience.
I'd argue right now that Meisha Tate has more measurable skill than Matt Brown. Not as fast strong or tough, but skill set, you bet your ass.
At the height of Anderson's reign he fucked with his opponents. Once he KNEW he could beat Maia, Leites, Forrest, and others he decided to fuck with them. Anyone watching any of those fights knew damn well that Anderson could have stopped the fight any time he decided to. Aldo the same. Anyone remember the 13 second wrecking of Cub Swanson? What if Aldo decided not to kick the legs of Faber all night, but rather follow up with a flury of punches. Or fake the low kicks and go for the head? GSp fought not to lose every time out. Most of those men, respect the ability of their opponent not to go for every single finish. Rhonda does not. She goes for it. She will also lose one day fighting like this, but that is how she fights. Wanderlei fought that way and we made him a legend. Can't blame Rhonda for finishing. And using those others as proof that she's in a weaker division is crap. Rhonda doesn't fuck around. She looks for an advantage, gets it, and gets out. If any male fighter had Rhonda's skillset of Judo and ability to recognize and attack the armbar like she does, they'd certainly do it too.
HAHHAHA - there are men with half her skill getting top 5 consideration all the time.
Matt Brown...for fuck sake Robbie Lawler, who is a champion doesn't have the Judo, wrestling, submission game that Rhonda has. Lawler's skillset is highlighted by takedown defense and an iron will. The later of which is not a skill but an attribute. Chuck Liddell made an entire career out of having 1 skill and one attribute. He had good TDD and power while backing up. And he is regarded as one of the best ever.
The only fighter that we can compare to Rhonda's in cage performances (quick finishes, aggressive personality) is Mike Tyson. And he had no popularity at all, right?
Jon Jones was finishing folks left and right and his star took forever to take off, right?
GSp dominated opponents for years, but didn't get the same amount of hype because he didn't destroy his opponents. That's what's being sold and that's what RR is doing better than anyone right now.
Find some way, any way to dispute that. You can try to compare her to other fighters with more skill, but those fighters are simply not putting up the same results. If they were Rhonda wouldn't be where she is.
Yes. She is hot. Yes she is blonde. Not really all that attractive personality, but she sells the "bitch with a spirit" well. But its not just UFC that has overhyped her. Society has gotten involved and the world wants a piece. Just like they did to Tyson.
If Cyborg were in UFC and crushing people like she has always done, the hype would be different, but she would have gotten it too. Anyone that runs through people in round 1 over and over and over and over again will get that treatment. No Cyborg wouldn't have the same level of celebrity that RR has. But respect, renown, and haters, yes. Plus she is actually one of the coolest people on the planet. Sweet as can be. Likes to have fun. She'd certainly get the "gentle giant" treatment.
That guy comes along all the time. There's always the new heartthrob. Huerta, Thompson, etc. There's always the next big thing. And they're always next until they aren't. I don't get excited about that shit anymore. It happens. Its the world. You sell whatever you have going for you. Sage has his looks. Roy has his belly. GSp has his country. Most people are selling something trying to gain an edge. If Clay Guida didn't look like the Geico Caveman he would have been cut from the UFC a decade ago. If Diego Sanchez wasn't selling crazy he'd have been gone a long time ago. If Frankie Edgar or Weidman was selling anything other than his skills he'd be in the GOAT conversations, but he only sells his performance, not some arbitrary attribute like heritage (Bendo, Cain), looks (Guida, Tate), personality (Diaz, Ortiz), disability (Hammill, Bisping).
Is it right? not really.
Is it fair? not really
Is it reality. You're fucking A right it is.
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You're hilarious. She is hyped because of her talent. If she fought like Miesha Tate and had her skill level she would not be nearly as famous. RR earned her spot. It's not just her judo that ends it but also her kill instinct and strength/conditioning.
What the fuck have you done that allows you to be so damn self-righteous about another's achievements?
You are a prime example of someone whose birth plan should have included abortion.