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FCC Votes to Kill Net Neutrality

Discussion in 'Politics and Religion' started by ATJ-Lucko, Feb 26, 2015.

  1. ATJ-Lucko

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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/...ote_n_6761702.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063


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    FCC Votes to Kill Net Neutrality, Capping a Year of Endless Bullshit


    You tried, America. You tried.

    Despite overwhelming bipartisan support for safeguarding the open internet, the Federal Communications Committee voted on Thursday to ignore the public and kill net neutrality protections.

    With his familiar shit-eating grin, FCC chairman Ajit Pai went through the motions of holding a committee hearing on his “Restoring Internet Freedom” initiative. The hearing was as much of a fraud as the title of the item: It was a foregone conclusion that under Pai’s leadership the FCC would hand big telecoms an early Christmas present.

    In a 3-2 vote along party lines, the Republican-led commission decided to eliminate the current net neutrality rules and remove the shackles that prevent ISPs from blocking online content, slowing a competitor’s website, or charging you extra just to access YouTube. (You can read the dissenting opinions here.) It paves the way for an ISP free-for-all, baby, and you can bet telecom executives have plenty of lucrative plans in mind that we haven’t even considered.

    The vote was briefly delayed after Pai’s comments were interrupted by security. The room was evacuated and searched by Federal Protective Service before Pai resumed. The nature of the threat was not immediately disclosed.

    From the moment President Donald Trump appointed Pai, we knew he was dead-set on killing net neutrality protections. He’s advocated for ISP interests for years. Before joining the FCC, Pai was a lawyer for Verizon, and he worked as counsel for the Senate Judiciary Committee under mega-conservative former Sens. Sam Brownback and Jeff Sessions. But make no mistake—just because Pai is a Republican doesn’t mean this is a partisan issue for the American public.

    Studies show that the vast majority of Americans support regulating ISPs to guarantee that they treat all internet traffic equally. A new survey published on Tuesday found that four out of five Republicans support net neutrality.

    California representative Jerry McNerny requested the opportunity to speak at today’s hearing but he was denied by the Chairman. As part of her dissent, FCC Commissioner Mignon Clyburn read a statement from McNerny. It said, in part:

    Why such a bipartisan outcry? Because the large majority of Americans are in favor of keeping strong net neutrality rules in place. But the saddest part, to me, about all of this, and it’s painful for me to say this, is that this is the new norm at the FCC. A norm where the majority ignores the will of the people. A norm where the majority stands idly by while the people they are committed to serve, that they’ve taken an oath to serve, are about to lose so much.

    In August, a study funded by the broadband industry found that 98.5 percent of unique comments submitted to the FCC regarding net neutrality were opposed to gutting the rules that went into effect in 2015.

    We have to specify unique comments because the FCC was overwhelmed by 23 million comment submissions, and many that supported killing net neutrality were filed by fraudulent bots robo-signing forms and stealing real people’s identities, according to New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman’s office.

    Even though the FCC is required to consider public comments for a specified time period, it has refused to cooperate with Schneiderman’s criminal investigation into the corruption of its commenting process. FCC Commissioner Jessica Rosenworcel, one of the two Democratic commissioners who voted to keep net neutrality rules in place, explicitly said this week, “there is evidence in the FCC’s files that fraud has occurred,” but the agency won’t cooperate.

    Regardless of the process, or the criminal investigation, or the protests, or the opposition from lawmakers—including fellow Republicans—Pai and his cronies were always going to ignore the public. The chairman has made his disdain for the public’s input and any study that disagrees with his position absolutely clear. He will go down as one of the Trump administration’s most effective pro-corporate puppets. And when he leaves office, he’ll be welcomed by the telecoms with open arms.

    But that doesn’t mean all is lost. Even though ISPs have been softening their statements that promise never to violate net neutrality principles, they must wait to take full advantage of their newfound freedom. There’s too much public scrutiny at the moment for them to start installing fast lanes or censoring content. Lawsuits challenging the decision will head to court from every direction. And with the right push from voters, Congress could even do the right thing by passing a law to correct this injustice.

    Net neutrality is dead. Long live net neutrality.

    https://gizmodo.com/fcc-votes-to-ki...ource=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
     
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  2. PatsWillPoundMyProlapsedChin

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    So is this good or bad?
     
  3. unforgivn

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    Peezy will be along shortly to tell you how it's bad.
     
  4. The Sundance Kid

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    Fucking Great!

    On every level from what I can tell.

    This is one of the things that people will praise Obama for in 10 years and it be Legit.

    Rebulicans were against this apparently.

    All the big companies were against this. Time Warner - Comcast -At&T, etc.

    It also eliminates the possibilites of fastlanes for certian websites.

    i.e. a website paying a ISP for their website to function better than their comptetitors because they paid the fee.
     
  5. jokerthief

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    I can't believe this happened. Our government isn't as corrupt and in the pockets of corporations as I thought it was. This is truly a historic day.
     
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  6. Poindexter

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    Hip hip hooray!
     
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  7. TriangleSmoke

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    the unwashed republican masses are having a shitfit lol
     
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  8. sourdough

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    It's pretty sad that we celebrate rulings that should be common sense but as a Canadian I am happy for you guys.

    Very good. It means ISPs have to give equal bandwidth to sites. There was worry that ISPs like Comcast would force services that use a tonne of bandwidth like Netflix extra money or slow down the connection to that site.
     
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  9. jokerthief

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    My whole family is conservative. My mom called me today to ask me if this was a good thing. I'm like, "Yes Mom, it's very good. Don't listen to Fox News today, Ok?"
     
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  10. The Sundance Kid

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    I feel the same way.

    I posed the letter from Barack Obama to Reddit in my Family group on facebook and they all agreed.(Begrudgingly I assume.)
     
  11. thumper

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    it's dangerous no matter whether it's there or not, but since I'm dog tired and donot have time, It basically, in it's most simple form, means netflix traffic has to cost the same as porn traffic and disney traffic, but what they were trying to do was split it up so your provider could charge you more for the bandwidth you use when watching movies at netflix.

    and fyi netflix itself is the reason they tried so hard to push it. specifically it was either comcast or time warner that wanted to split your pricing up depending to where you browse to. think of it like a tollway on the internet

    but make NO mistake, this IS coming and it will be here within 10 years.

    if anyone here is old enough, ATMS were the perfect comparison. people scoffed at the notion of these autonomous machines that you would use to take your own money out of your own bacnk account and have to pay a fee to do it. they PROMISED in million dollar campaigns that would never happen.

    now, not only does the owner of the atm charge as high as TEN dollars to you for taking out your money, your bank also charges you up to TEN dollars, to do the same transaction. Or, exactly what they scoffed at. but like everything else, they ease you into it.

    Another example? Net zero. do you know why they are called netzero? because when they were a startup their entire premise was free dial up and internet access for everyone. "Free, now and forever' NetZERO ment zero bill. But guess what? they only did that to fund their build out of their network. once built, they started charging. There isn't anything 'zero' at netzero now.

    And this too will be eased in and the govt will end up fucking you by managing it. Service will be slow, and unreliable and the infrastructure will be always ready to buckle, just like our grid is right now, and our gas infrastructure (LPG not gasoline).

    So what this is, is a celebration of putting off the inevitable

    So what can you expect later? well wesbites like this one you're posting on now won't exist, anywhere. because for one, just a single person will never have enough clout to own any bandwidth in the premier levels, and instead, it would be on transient networks, down frequently and slow as dog shit when it is up.

    Rah rah US GOVT. the same group of dipshits that are the reason gas went to 5 bucks a gallon when it should be under a dollar. the same reaason a pack of cigarettes cost 9 bucks, yet the maker only takes in about 2. the rest is taxes, fees, tarrifs etc.

    why did they claim they were jacking cigarette prices up? because it would hurt the tobacco companies. if you jack up prices too high, people will have to quit.

    and guess what? smoking numbers are 70% LOWER. awsome right? So then how is it, RJ Wreynolds had their most profitable year ever 2 years ago? shouldn't they be going bankrupt? nope, but the govt sure is making billions more on it now.

    Net neutrality was supposedly to stop the disease of the government from fucking up yet another service and turning it into a weak commodity. But there are some VERY nefarious things under the hood that even most of the proponents of it don't knwo about. It all all glitter and kittens
     
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  12. The Sundance Kid

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    Fuck you Thumper. You downer mother fucker.
     
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  13. thumper

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    the whole topic bugs me because it's the one thing i hate about this country. and ROFL that people will praise obama for net neutrality. just like obamacare hahah

    if you knew what both propositions said, you'd realize that both are HORRIBLE ideas. this is a case of the lesser of two evils

    regulatory reclassification is going to destroy everything we love about the internet

    instead of my pouring out sentence fragments, and bad spelling, THIS is the bad side of this 'win'

    http://reason.com/archives/2014/11/12/net-neutrality-is-a-lousy-idea
     
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  14. The Sundance Kid

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    So they are going to do it anyways, huh?
     
  15. thumper

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    you're not understanding what I'm saying. BOTH are the same end result. just in different directions. the win is a win, but not anywhere near what everyone thinks. read that page and be prepared to see what nobody seems to talk about

    guys like me that make a living based on fair market value of experience, and service knowledge will not exist in the same way 20 years from now. the same way if the US took over all medical care (remember that analogy about a little at a time? welcome obamacare. same shit). in the end doctors will be making a TON less money, and guess what that leads to? Listen I WANt those doctors to make a fortune. because that means brilliant people will strive for it. Can you imagine if education was based on fair market value? the pay for educators would be just as high and our educational system would DESTROY anyone else in the world. what do you think brillant doctors would do if in 20 years they know they'd make a tenth of the money? they'd be lawyers and other things. they aren't doctors to help, in most cases, they're doctors because they're brilliant and they know they can make a fortune. they'll do other things. wouldn't you? I would.

    an example of kickass obamacare? did you know pharmacy prices have jumped TWELVE HUNDRED PERCENT on a huge number of drugs? do you know why? because obama blurted out how 'he would stop huge price hikes for big pharma. but not do it for another 5 years. meaning after that they can no longer have huge price spikes. So guess what? they happened IMMEDIATETLY instead of over 5 years because the drug companies know they cannot gouge us after that. so they'll bankrupt huge percentages of the country or many will die, most will get much lower medical benefit to get those same price hikes in 5 years, not 15, and the same end result will happen. r*d will dimish over time because the money isn't there anymore. when my sister was dying she had to get a special shot every 4 months. i dont remembver what it was, but i remember that shot cost over five thousand dollars.

    I had to deal with that too. i use an inhaler for asthma. but bureaucracy and bullshit forced the only GOOD ashtma inhalers out of the us completely and are now illegal. and the shitty ones that are left, went from 9 to 10 dollars to 90

    that is three huge examples of why i hat ethe government. not democrats or republicans, ALL govt completely. but unfortunately we have to have it in some form
     
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  16. jokerthief

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    So many words Thumper. Can someone give me a TL;DR on Thumper is talking about? Is he arguing against net neutrality?
     
  17. ILJO

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    He's saying that it doesn't matter because in the end you're going to take it in the ass, one way or the other.
     
  18. jokerthief

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    Does he make a good point?
     
  19. ILJO

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    Well he knows way more about the internets than I do, so I want to say yes. But he's also about as stubborn as a rock, so it's possible he made up his mind like 20 years ago... But I don't know enough to argue, so from my perspective I'd say it's probably worth a read given his experience in the field alone.
     
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  20. Noise

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    God, that's a lot of reading though.

    I'm going to air on the side that...This is an amazing, incredible, awesome, landmark win because fuck corporations and stuff, :).
     

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