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Discussion in 'General MMA Forum' started by Poindexter, Dec 27, 2014.

  1. Poindexter

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    Agreed. Both the rules and the gloves should be changed.

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  2. thumper

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    i see the point but they CANNOT change those rules. the moment you make a fight outcome something that is a variable is the moment you lose credibility as a commission. They can't take that chance
     
  3. rivethead

    rivethead Neg'd 4 Lyfe

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    I think you can change the rules, for sure...not necessarily having it be a subjectively-awarded win, but implementing new rules.

    Specifically, if you have a guy who is habitually fouling people--Kongo, Jones, etc--tell them before the fight that they don't get warnings. First offense takes a point. If a second offense occurs in the same fight, it's a DQ.

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  4. ATJ-Lucko

    ATJ-Lucko MMAtheist Survival Pool Champion

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    Daron Cruickshank's eye has permanent damage from Noons' eyepokes

    http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2014/12/...-from-noons-eyepokes-dog-attacks-car-accident
     
  5. Dr. MMA

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    Agree. First, they need stricter penalties for eye pokes (e.g., max 1 warning then deducting a point OR deducting points immediately for the first foul either for all fighters or specifically for those who were previous offenders). Second, referees need to be consistent in implementing these penalties, i.e., all referees need to implement the one warning or immediate deductions similarly in similar situations. Currently there is a lot of variation in the implementation of eye pokes as well as other fouls, and that alone causes problems.
     
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  6. ATJ-Lucko

    ATJ-Lucko MMAtheist Survival Pool Champion

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    have there been any major eye pokes in bellator since the change? what is the UFC waiting for?
     
  7. ILJO

    ILJO Soggy Bottom Boy Site Donor

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    I'm curious what the fighters have said about those gloves. Does it effect the ability to grip and grapple?
     
  8. Noise

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    If I remember correctly, that fight was loaded with shit Noons should have had points taken away from. Cage grabbing, a prior warning (I think).

    I just hate how your run of the mill, even well versed, MMA fan is so hesitant about calling out shit like hits to the back of the head and points being taken away.

    Fence grabbing, punches to the back of the head (especially preceding the end of a fight), open palm swipes/strikes - Ref's, the media and fans should be quicker to call that shit out.
     
  9. Kano

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    are open palm strikes a foul?
     
  10. Noise

    Noise Ruido

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    Swipes, like - Throwing your hand in an opponents face with your fingers extended. Repeatedly and shit, :rip:.
     
  11. Kano

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    I see what you mean.
     
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  12. ILJO

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    You shouldn't. He's a lunatic.
     
  13. Poindexter

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    Can't disagree with riv but I do wonder how this may work with fighters that seem to fake being hit with a foul. Kos comes to mind for example. Instant replay for point deductions or elimination of point deductions?
     
  15. sourdough

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    That shouldn't be an issue refs don't call fouls that they don't see, at least they are not supposed to.
     
  16. Ninjastix

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    Can't equate nut shots to eye shots because you can wear sack protection. Maybe fight goggles then?
     
  17. sourdough

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    Wouldn't there be a risk of goggle fogging up and impeding fighters vision? I really don't think there is a perfect solution eye pokes. The UFC does need to bite the bullet and reach out to bellator to use their glove technology.
     
  18. Ninjastix

    Ninjastix Damn Gina Site Donor

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    Where there's a will, or a finger, there's a way. Goggles in their current incarnation would be a horrible nightmare but maybe there's a technical solution somewhere down the line.
     
  19. sourdough

    sourdough Sourdough Site Donor Asst. Bookie

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    Covering the finger would help prevent injuries like Cruikshank's. It would atleast prevent the finger nail from cutting open flesh.
     
  20. rivethead

    rivethead Neg'd 4 Lyfe

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    deduct a point if the ref sees it, without a warning.
    there is a spectrum of how intentional an eyepoke might be--for every guy who says jones does it intentionally, there is a fan who says he's just sloppy. Faking a foul isn't sloppy. it's intentional.

    correct.

    rh
     

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