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Discussion in 'General MMA Forum' started by Poindexter, Jul 3, 2015.
So I have a question for everyone. Is BJ Penn the greatest fighter in the UFC hall of fame? I say he is.
I think he is too, but all those guys are pretty old school, when you didn't have to be as well rounded.
This is true and yet Penn fought during much of the same time period and was knocking people out even though he actually came from a jujitsu base. And he had probably the best TDD for years. I think Penn was the first modern mixed martial artist—a guy who was great at all aspects of the game. And he was this way in 2001. His nickname should have been the prototype, not the prodigy.
Can't disagree with that. He really was the first true MMA fighter, minus the conditioning.
I don't know who's in the hall of fame, but given that Fedor never fought for the UFC, I'm going to go ahead and say yes.
Frank Shamrock imo is the first modern mma fighter, with the conditioning
I do wish BJ would do some metamorphosis matches. Or face Hughes in a grapple only.
His stubbornness showed in later years, but his title run was beyond impressive.
Depends. Is it "Motivated" BJ?
I miss it too, B.J.
I miss BJ too.
Was a huge fan until the second GSP fight, the way he acted before and after the match I lost all respect for him.
It would be amazing to see prime BJ Penn compete against the top guys at 155 right now.
He will be the best all-around fighter in the UFC HoF.
While I don't think he is the GOAT, he will be the best fighter in the HoF.
My only regret in regards to BJ is that I think he challenged himself to greatness almost too much. Had he stuck to fighting at his weights more often instead of overreaching too far (Machida)(GSp) he would have the record to back being the GOAT.
He ran into a buzzsaw in Frankie Edgar as his motivation for training and fighting dwindled, and that's the real bummer.
I'm with tapout in that I would love to see him in a metamoris.
I'll never forget the lead up to the second GSP fight and they showed BJ training by carrying rocks underwater in the ocean. It was at that point that I knew he was in trouble.
I wonder how bj's career would have turned out if the judges game him the 1st fight against Edgar.
I think the lose to GSp was the start of the down turn. I think he trained as hard as he ever did for that fight and it wasn't good enough. He looked good, not great, against Florian and Sanchez. Then again against Edgar in the first fight. It was close. I thought Edagr won the points race, but BJ won the fight. And that finished off the last of BJ's will to win. After that he relied on sheer skill to fight, but that "killer instinct" just did not exist anymore.
That's a very good question. I think he won that fight. But then the second fight was so definitive. Something happened in between them. You have to wonder if that fight mentally broke him. Perhaps he suffered from depression and just didn't train like he should have. If that's the case, you can see how that could have snowballed into his decline. (But to be fair his last 3 fights were against top-of-the-food-chain fighters).
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It's embarrassing when someone posts pretty much the same point as you while you're still writing and beats you to the punch.
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It's funny he talks about not taking the easy way out after just saying that he does not have any desire to do another training camp.
BJ Penn has been known for being an extremely talented person but also very lazy.
It is kinda understandable because he comes from a very rich family so he always had anything he needed without doing any effort. Thanks to his insane talent he achieved a very good career in MMA.
But he is not like a lot of brazilians that had to work a lot in their childhood to get some food, so they understand that if they want something, they must work like animals for it.
BJ never had that kind of work ethic. Of course he trained hard, but it was his talent what made him such a fighter.